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Utility-scale batteries and pumped storage return about 80% of the electricity they store
Electric energy storage is becoming more important to the energy industry as the share of intermittent generating technologies, such as wind and solar, in the electricity mix increases. Electric energy storage helps to meet fluctuating demand, which is why it is often paired with intermittent sources. Storage technologies include batteries and pumped-storage hydropower , which capture energy and store it for later use. Storage metrics can help us understand the value of the technology. Round-trip efficiency is the percentage of electricity put into storage that is later retrieved. The higher the round-trip efficiency, the less energy is lost in the storage process. According to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), in 2019, the U.S. utility-scale battery fleet operated with an average monthly round-trip efficiency of 82%, and pumped-storage facilities operated with an average monthly round-trip efficiency of 79%.
EIA’s Power Plant Operations Report provides data on utility-scale energy storage, including the monthly electricity consumption and gross electric generation of energy storage assets, which can be used to calculate round-trip efficiency. The metrics reviewed here use the finalized data from the Power Plant Operations Report for 2019—the most recent year for which a full set of storage data is available.
Pumped-storage facilities are the largest energy storage resource in the United States. The facilities collectively account for 21.9 gigawatts (GW) of capacity and for 92% of the country’s total energy storage capacity as of November 2020.
In recent years, utility-scale battery capacity has grown rapidly as battery costs have decreased. As batteries have been increasingly paired with renewables , they have become the second-largest source of electricity storage. As of November 20, 2020, utility-scale battery capacity had 1.4 GW of operational capacity. Another 4.0 GW of battery capacity is scheduled to come online in 2021, according to EIA’s Preliminary Electric Generator Inventory .
Although battery storage has slightly higher round-trip efficiency than pumped storage, pumped-storage facilities typically operate at utilization factors that are currently twice as high as batteries. Increasing durations among battery applications could shift battery operations toward services that reward longer output periods. For example, in 2015, the weighted average battery duration was a little more than 46 minutes, but by 2019, weighted average battery durations had doubled to 1.5 hours. The role of batteries and their capability to provide high levels of round-trip efficiency may become more important as batteries continue to be deployed and as the intermittent renewables share of the electricity mix grows.
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Mix of mechanical and thermal energy storage seen as best bet to enable more wind and solar power
To enable a high penetration of renewable energy, storing electricity through pumped hydropower is most efficient but controversial, according to the twelfth U.S. secretary of energy and Nobel laureate in physics, Steven Chu .
A combination of new mechanical and thermal technologies could provide us with enough energy storage to enable deep renewable adoption.
Chu’s analysis came as part of Stanford University’s Global Energy Dialogues series. His June 23 talk focused on the methods and costs of storing excess solar and wind power for when the sun sets and winds die down. Chu also addressed lessons learned from his time at the U.S. Department of Energy, where he oversaw unprecedented investments in clean energy via the 2009 American Recovery & Reinvestment Act. Here Chu stressed the need to hire good people, analyze real data and fight bureaucracy.
It turns out the most efficient energy storage mechanism is to convert electrical energy to mechanical potential energy, for example by pumping water up a hill, said Chu.
When the electricity is needed, the raised water is released through turbines that generate electricity. The 100-year-old technology dominates the global energy storage landscape today, with dozens of new installations under construction in China. Recent cost estimates show it to be competitive with any other utility-scale storage.
“The problem with (pumped) hydro is that it takes a long time to get permitting” in many countries, said Chu, noting that some environmentalists are “very much against hydro storage.” Nevertheless, there is a growing realization that increasing pumped-hydro storage substantially will be necessary if we are to increase wind and solar power beyond 50 percent of generated electricity.
One audience member asked if small, modular pumped-hydro systems could be a good option. Chu responded: “I am a big fan of small, modular anything.” Built in factories and shipped around the world, he explained, modular units may be easier to approve than the big, “one-off” facilities we have today.
Newer energy storage methods
As we get more energy from renewables, our need for energy storage grows, said Chu, who is a professor in Stanford's Department of Physics and in the Department of Molecular and Cellular Physiology in its School of Medicine. Once we get to 50 percent renewable energy, we need far more storage than we have. The total electricity consumption in the United States in 2018 – 2019 was about 4,000 terawatt-hours (TWh) of energy with a generating capacity of about 1,200 GW. The United States currently has only 31 GW of stored energy power—only 2.5 percent of our current generating capacity. At 80 percent penetration of renewables such as wind and solar energy, it is estimated we would need four days of storage energy (100 hours) at our full generation capacity to minimize energy curtailment (the throttling back of renewable generation), Chu explained. Most regional U.S. grids could survive on large-scale electricity storage systems for a few minutes today.
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The current full cost of lithium-ion battery storage is about $300/kWh, which is at least a tenfold higher cost than for even 12 hours of pumped-hydro storage. How can we reach the storage capacity we need in a way that is more cost-effective than lithium-ion batteries?
As an alternative to new dams, researchers are developing innovative mechanical storage technologies, Chu explained. This includes pumped storage by displacing water with air using isothermal compression and expansion in canisters one to two kilometers deep on the seafloor. Compressed air energy storage technologies using hollowed-out salt caverns with isothermal energy transfer also are being seriously considered.
“But, what about using electricity just to heat something up?” asked Chu. Within 10 to 20 years, wind and solar energy at the best sites in the world is expected to be as low as $15 /MWh (1.5 ¢/kWh) or equivalently $4.40/ MM Btu. Chu converted to MM Btu (million Btu) since this is the unit of energy used to price natural gas. At $4.40/ MM Btu, renewable energy will be less than the cost of natural gas in many regions of the world. Converting electrical energy directly into heat with resistive heating is thermodynamically inefficient since it creates excessive entropy. However, mechanical engineers and physicists alike have realized that there may be very efficient methods of using adiabatic compressors and expanders—such as Brayton turbines—to create a method of storing and extracting heat energy mechanically. Thus, heat storage begins to look like pumped-hydro storage, and for this reason the new technology has been dubbed a Brayton battery.
Brayton turbines are used in two ways to generate electricity. Natural gas turbines compress air, burn the fuel in a combustion chamber and extract mechanical work in the gas expansion stage. Alternatively, water heated to high pressures and temperatures well above the supercritical point, where there is no longer a distinction between liquid and vapor water, is used as an energy transfer fluid. After extracting work in the expansion stage, the cooled, low-temperature steam is returned to a high-temperature, high-pressure state through two stages of recompression. Energy “recuperators” are used the bring the steam to higher temperatures before adding fossil fuel heat. In this way the average temperature where the heat energy is added more closely approaches the idealized Carnot engine where the theoretical maximum thermal efficiency is η= (T hot – T cold) /T cold , where T hot is the temperature of a high-temperature reservoir and T cold is the temperature where the waste heat is expelled.
In the past decade, engineers have begun to pilot the use of supercritical CO 2 as the working turbine fluid. A new turbine designed to burn a mixture of natural gas and oxygen in which 94 percent of the mass of the fluid is high-pressure supercritical CO 2 (The Allam Cycle) is being piloted in joint venture with a start-up company, NetPower, and Toshiba.
Note that the conversion between electrical power and mechanical power is up to 98 to 99 percent energy efficient. Because of this high-conversion efficiency, the round-trip efficiency of pumped-hydro storage is 75 to 85 percent energy efficient, despite all of the friction and turbulence generated in moving water. Similarly, an efficient Brayton turbine can be used to pump heat between thermal reservoirs. In a case using two cold and two hot thermal storage reservoirs, an estimated 75 percent efficiency may be achievable. In the new thermal storage schemes, energy recuperation also is essential to maximize the overall efficiency when heat is stored in the high-temperature reservoir in the charging mode and extracted in the discharging mode of the Brayton battery. While utility-scale thermal storage is still unproven, a number of companies are trying to commercialize these ideas.
Another way to store excess, inexpensive renewable electricity is to generate supplies of energy-rich chemicals. The first widely deployed technology is likely to be the generation of hydrogen via the electrolysis of water. While the production of hydrogen and oxygen by electrochemically splitting water has been known since the beginning of the eighteenth century, there is renewed interest in improving the overall energy efficiency and H 2 production rate to be competitive with commercial hydrogen production. Virtually all hydrogen is produced from steam methane reforming (SMR), a process that extracts hydrogen from natural gas and releases carbon dioxide. While converting hydrogen into energy, either through combustion or through fuel cells, has no carbon emissions, “the full life cycle (of SMR-produced hydrogen) is not clean at all,” Chu explained. In the SMR process, seven kg CO 2 are produced to produce one kg of H 2 while burning diesel fuel releases 3.15 kg of CO 2 /kg of fuel. Even after accounting for the improved efficiency of a hydrogen fuel cell, a H 2 powered truck only reduces the CO 2 by 40 percent when compared to a conventional diesel heavy-duty truck. Similarly, burning natural gas produces about 0.55 kg of CO 2 /kWh of energy as compared to 0.21 kg of CO 2 /kWh in burning a kilogram of SMR-produced hydrogen.
Producing hydrogen from water using solar power reduces the CO 2 emissions to nearly zero. Better still, if hydrogen is produced from biomass that captures CO 2 from the atmosphere and the excess CO 2 is sequestered, the fuel can produce negative emissions of up to 20 kg of CO 2 per kg of H 2 used for energy.
The widespread use of hydrogen will require a new pipeline distribution system, according to Chu, noting that U.S. infrastructure lacks the ability to transport hydrogen. Repurposing natural gas pipelines is not feasible, Chu said, because of hydrogen embrittlement that will cause the steel pipes to crack under the stress of the high-pressure pipelines. Building new hydrogen pipelines with fiber-reinforced polymer materials could be as inexpensive as steel piping when deployed at scale. Also, using the existing natural gas right-of-way would help reduce costs of the hydrogen infrastructure.
Another active area of science and technology development is the development of a new class of utility-scale electrochemical storage based on chemical flow batteries. For example, a novel sulfur-lithium or sulfur-sodium flow battery is being developed where the cost of the chemical materials is tenfold and one-hundred-fold lower when compared to the dominant vanadium redox flow battery used today. Just as wide-scale deployment of electric vehicles will demand a shift to lower-cost materials than cobalt, nickel and manganese, massive deployment of flow batteries cannot use vanadium. Sulfur is the most attractive material for both EV batteries and stationary utility batteries.
Lessons learned at DOE
As the U.S. secretary of energy, Chu was tasked with implementing a large part of the 2009 American Recovery & Reinvestment Act. Created to stimulate an economic recovery in response to the Great Recession, it included $35 billion for investments in clean energy and lower-carbon-polluting vehicles.
Asked to reflect on lessons learned while in federal government, Chu said, “You’ve got to get really good people and you've got to always fight the bureaucracy growth.” Federal programs create so much paperwork and come with so many reporting requirements that many companies think twice about participating in otherwise beneficial programs.
Successful Recovery Act programs included the initiation of ARPA-E and investments in the U.S. electrical transmission and distribution system. The co-investment on synchrophasor technology and the linking of these power measurement units are essential in building a more robust transmission and distribution system, especially as we use more wind and solar energy. The Recovery Act fund investments in renewable energy and advanced automobile technologies through its loan guarantee program were also successful. Although the DOE was heavily criticized for the failed loans of Solyndra and Fisker, it saved Tesla and Ford from certain bankruptcy while stimulating the development of greener vehicles. Additionally, the first five large solar farms with over 100 MW of generating capacity were financed at a time when Wall Street considered these projects as too risky to touch.
The loan program was an effective method of taking innovation from initial demonstration of technology to large-scale deployment by greatly leveraging debt and equity investments in the private sector. Out of the nearly $30 billion of disbursed loans, the actual and estimated losses as of March 2020 are only 2.74 percent of the invested government money. The downside of the loan program was that it demanded the loan recipient be under detailed government scrutiny, and the bureaucratic compliance added significant costs and discomfort. “It’s as if you have a government colonoscopy without anesthesia” for the life of the loan, Chu said.
Having hard data is also important to measure the success of government programs, according to Chu. The DOE weatherization program could have been more successful if it had established a baseline so it could monitor the program’s effect on energy bills and thermostat readings before weatherization and measure the money saved and comfort gained after the work was done. Instead advocates and critics ended up arguing over the estimates of the cost effectiveness of the program, which differed by an order of magnitude.
“Both sides used substantial modeling instead of real numbers,” Chu said in an interview after the talk. “Going forward, it is important to gather as much data as possible and to use control groups to estimate the energy costs and carbon reduction benefits with data.”
Thinking globally
Chu was interviewed by Stanford Precourt Institute for Energy co-directors Arun Majumdar and Sally Benson . Majumdar asked Chu what the global community—and the United States—should be doing to address climate change.
Global collaboration and leadership from developed countries is important, according to Chu. If the United States, China and Europe set a price on carbon, they could address much of the world’s emissions without punishing emerging economies.
If instead, the United States takes an insular attitude and “a look-out-for-number-one” mentality, “it comes back and bites you,” said Chu. He added that we have seen the outcome of this mentality in recent weeks, both in terms of different populations’ ability to deal with the COVID crisis and in how police treat different sectors of society.
“The consequences of ignoring the risks of climate change is a magnified version of ignoring the warning signs of a growing pandemic or risking societal instability by allowing unequal treatment by the police to continue. We live on the same planet and like it or not, we are all in it together,” he said in an interview after the talk.
Chu’s slide deck can be viewed here (pdf) . Not all slides were shown during his Global Energy Dialogues presentation.
The next Global Energy Dialogues session will be July 7 and will feature Chad Holliday, chair of the board of Royal Dutch Shell plc. Global Energy Dialogues are free and open to all. Registration is required.
The Global Energy Dialogues are funded by the Stanford Global Energy Forum.
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Can Underground Pumped Hydro Save the World?
Mark khalil december 11, 2023, submitted as coursework for ph240 , stanford university, fall 2023, introduction.
Underground pumped hydro storage (U-PHS) has emerged as an alternative solution that can overcome some of the siting and economic challenges associated with the conventional above-ground pumped hydro. This technology utilizes subterranean caverns, mines, or underground reservoirs for storing energy, typically relying on steep height differentials of water between an upper and lower reservoir to store and generate electricity on demand.
The Physics of Pumped Hydro Explained
Conceptually, U-PHS is very similar to surface level pumped hydro; the major difference is that the upper reservoir for an underground system is at ground-level while the lower reservoir is located underground, as seen in Fig. 1. [1] Underground pumped hydro leverages gravitational potential energy, using reversible pump-turbines to move water between upper and lower reservoirs situated at different elevations. The energy storage capacity of a pumped hydro storage system (E, measured in Joules) can be calculated using the formula
where ρ = 1000 kg m -3 is the mass density of water, g = 9.8 m sec -1 is the acceleration due to gravity, and h is the effective head (the vertical distance between the water surfaces of the upper and lower reservoirs in meters, and Ω is the total volume of water ready to fall downhill in m 3 . [2] The derivative of the energy equation with respect to time yields
where P is the power delivered in Watts and dΩ/dt is the flow of water through the turbines in m 3 per sec. The efficiency η, a pure number between 0 and 1, describes energy losses in the pumps and turbines. The power P' delivered to the grid can be thought of as P' = η × P.
Larger height separations h between these upper and lower water bodies (larger heads) directly correlate with increased storage capacity and power output capabilities. [2,3] By situating reservoirs in deep underground facilities, projects can leverage a thousand or more feet of head differential, allowing individual certain unique facilities to bring online several hundreds of MW to over a GW of installed capacity at a time at larger abandoned mines in some cases, with scalability through expansion of water volumes. [3-5] With the ability to go from zero power to full power dispatch in under one minute, underground pumped hydro can serve as a rapid response backbone to stabilize intermittent wind and solar infrastructure at scale. [1]
The efficiency of U-PHS is comparable to traditional pumped hydro storage, with some variation depending on the turbines used at the specific project site and its implementation details. [6] There are actually two efficiencies when considering pumped hydro systems, one for charging and another for discharging. The "round-trip efficiency" is the product of the two. The round trip efficiency rates of pumping to storage to electricity generation are on par with above-ground pumped hydro at 70-85%. [1,3] However, the relatively low energy density of PHES systems requires either a very large body of water or a large variation in height which is what makes underground systems potentially more attractive alternatives. [6,7] In addition, having the water stored underground can in some instances, reduce losses due to evaporation. [7]
Naturally, there is an extremely high variance when it comes to implementation costs, as each site has its own idiosyncratic features, which means pumped storage systems have capital costs of $600-2,000 per KW or $5-100 per KWh and 0.1-1.4 cents per KWh per cycle. [6] Underground pumped hydro, which takes advantage of natural geography and voids rather than requiring extensive dam, reservoir, and civil engineering means there is more flexibility in siting, and can often allow developers to locate projects closer to energy infrastructure and consumers. With long asset life spans of 50+ years and low maintenance requirements as system components are protected underground, projects can deliver electricity at very low costs for decades. [3]
However, the estimated costs are 1.1 to 1.3 times higher than conventional PSH plants. [4,8] Unless the market environment radically changes, returns for investors therefore seem modest but the societal benefits of lower electricity prices and better grid stability are substantial. Market incentives for large dedicated storage investments are lacking, an public-private partnerships may enable projects. [4,8] Compared to batteries and hydrogen storage, U-PHS can provide larger-scale, longer-duration storage at modest roundtrip losses, and U-PHS deserves consideration among storage options for deeply decarbonized electricity systems, given suitable geology. [4,8] Government policy and regulation changes may be needed to spur investments, as the fundamental issue is that markets lack incentives for investment in very large, capital-intensive dedicated storage. [4,8]
Other that cost issues, other important considerations for successful U-PHS implementation include understanding the drainage considerations as some sites naturally refill with water. Understanding the dynamics of water tables, or the levels where the ground will be filled with water if you go any lower is critical for the successful design and implementation of sites. [7] Despite the challenges, U-PHS could provide large-scale energy storage to facilitate greater integration of renewable energy and stabilize electricity grids. Suitable underground geology for U-PHS has been identified in coal mining areas in Germany and the Netherlands, where these risks of subsidence or seismic impacts appear low. [4,8]
In conclusion, the potential of underground pumped hydro storage heralds a transformative era in sustainable energy solutions. As an innovative approach to address the challenges of conventional above-ground pumped hydro, this unique technology leverages subterranean spaces, mines, and caverns to store and generate electricity efficiently. [4,6-8] Offering comparable efficiency rates to traditional systems and enhanced flexibility in siting are reasons underground pumped hydro emerges as a promising alternative for long-term energy storage. [4,8] However, repurposing existing underground structures, such as abandoned mines, is expensive, and despite showcasing adaptability and resourcefulness in meeting the world's growing energy demands is a capital-intensive solution that requires more granular support. As research and development continue to advance, and with successful deployments of renewables, the potential of underground pumped hydro storage stands poised to play a pivotal role in fostering a more sustainable and resilient energy landscape. [4,8]
© Mark Khalil. The author warrants that the work is the author's own and that Stanford University provided no input other than typesetting and referencing guidelines. The author grants permission to copy, distribute and display this work in unaltered form, with attribution to the author, for noncommercial purposes only. All other rights, including commercial rights, are reserved to the author.
[1] H. Chen et al. , "Progress in Electrical Energy Storage System: A Critical Review," Prog. Nat. Sci. 19 , 291 (2009).
[2] T. Kousksou et al. , "Energy Storage: Applications and Challenges," Sol. Energy Mater. Sol. Cells. 120 A , 59 (2014).
[3] X. Luo et al. , "Overview of Current Development in Electrical Energy Storage Technologies and the Application Potential in Power System Operation," Appl. Energy 137 , 511 (2015).
[4] M. Wessel, R. Madlener, and C. Hilgers, "Economic Feasibility of Semi-Underground Pumped Storage Hydropower Plants in Open-Pit Mines," Energies 13 , 4178 (2020).
[5] F. Liu et al. , "Pumped Storage Hydropower in an Abandoned Open-Pit Coal Mine: Slope Stability Analysis under Different Water Levels," Front. Earth Sci. 10 , 941119 (2022).
[6] S. Rehman, L. M. Al-Hadhrami, and Md. M. Alam, "Pumped Hydro Energy Storage System: A Technological Review," Renew. Sustain. Energy Rev. 44 , 586 (2015).
[7] X. Lyu et al. , "Pumped Storage Hydropower in Abandoned Mine Shafts: Key Concerns and Research Directions," Sustainability 14 , 16012 (2022).
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Pumped storage hydro, utility-scale batteries return about 80% of the electricity they store
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Pumped-storage hydroelectric facilities in the U.S. operated with an average monthly round-trip efficiency of 79%, and the utility-scale battery fleet operated at 82%, according to 2019 data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).
Round-trip efficiency is the percentage of electricity put into storage that is later retrieved. The higher the round-trip efficiency, the less energy is lost in the storage process.
With electric energy storage becoming more important as the share of intermittent generating technologies, such as wind and solar, in the electricity mix increases, EIA said storage metrics can help us understand the value of the technology. EIA’s Power Plant Operations Report provides data on utility-scale energy storage, including the monthly electricity consumption and gross electric generation of energy storage assets, which can be used to calculate round-trip efficiency. The metrics reviewed here use the finalized data from the Power Plant Operations Report for 2019 — the most recent year for which a full set of storage data is available.
Pumped-storage facilities are the largest energy storage resource in the U.S. The facilities collectively account for 21.9 GW of capacity and for 92% of the country’s total energy storage capacity as of November 2020.
In recent years, utility-scale battery capacity has grown rapidly as costs have decreased. Batteries have become the second-largest source of electricity storage. As of Nov. 20, 2020, utility-scale battery capacity had 1.4 GW of operational capacity. Another 4 GW of battery capacity is scheduled to come online in 2021, according to EIA’s Preliminary Electric Generator Inventory.
Although battery storage has slightly higher round-trip efficiency, pumped-storage facilities typically operate at utilization factors that are twice as high as batteries. Increasing durations among battery applications could shift battery operations toward services that reward longer output periods. For example, in 2015, the weighted average battery duration was a little more than 46 minutes, but by 2019, weighted average battery durations were 1.5 hours.
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Using physics and estimation to assess energy, growth, options—by tom murphy.
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Gravitational Storage Basics
When you lift an object, you must supply a force to counter gravity (the weight of the object) and apply this force over the height through which you lift the object. The weight of an object—and therefore the force applied to lift it—is its mass times the acceleration due to gravity (application of Newton’s F = ma ; in this case, mg , where g is the gravitational acceleration, or about 10 m/s²). Work is defined as force times distance, so lifting an object of mass m a height h results in an energy (work) investment of mgh . This is called gravitational potential energy .
It is called a potential energy because it is possible to put the invested energy on a shelf—literally, in fact—to be accessed later. A dropped brick that had previously been given gravitational potential energy can do useful work, like driving a nail into a piece of wood (huge force times small distance = same work). The stored energy does not degrade one iota over time: in that sense it represents perfect long-term storage.
The idea for pumped hydro storage is that we can pump a mass of water up into a reservoir (shelf), and later retrieve this energy at will—barring evaporative loss. Pumps and turbines (often implemented as the same physical unit, actually) can be something like 90% efficient, so the round-trip storage comes at only modest cost.
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Raccoon Mountain pumped storage concept.
The main problem with gravitational storage is that it is incredibly weak compared to chemical, compressed air, or flywheel techniques (see the post on home energy storage options ). For example, to get the amount of energy stored in a single AA battery, we would have to lift 100 kg (220 lb) 10 m (33 ft) to match it. To match the energy contained in a gallon of gasoline, we would have to lift 13 tons of water (3500 gallons) one kilometer high (3,280 feet). It is clear that the energy density of gravitational storage is severely disadvantaged.
What we lack in energy density, we make up in volume. Lakes of water behind dams, for instance represent substantial storage.
When water is let out from the bottom of a dam, it carries energy as if it had been “shelved” at the surface of the lake behind the dam. How does water at the bottom “know” how high the lake surface is? Pressure—which is proportional to the weight of water overhead. So let’s take a cubic meter of water, at a mass of 1000 kg, and send it through the turbine. The mgh energy in the cube of water for a 100 m high dam is (1000 kg)(10 m/s²)(100 m) = 10 6 J, or one megajoule.
If this 100 m high dam only has one cubic meter per second flowing through, it would produce 1 MJ/sec, or 1 MW. I am ignoring the roughly 90% efficiency of hydroelectric turbines to keep numbers tidy and approximate. More typically, flow rates are measured in the 1000 m³/s range, so that our 100 m dam would produce 1 GW at this scale.
So the recipe is simple for understanding a hydroelectric dam: multiply the height of water behind the dam (in meters) by ten-thousand times the flow rate in cubic meters per second to get the power in Watts.
We Need How Much Storage?
The U.S. has a power diet of about 3×10 12 W, or 3 TW. Two-thirds of this feeds heat engines (power plants, cars, etc.), at an average efficiency of 30%, delivering 0.6 TW of useful work in the bargain. The other 1 TW is direct heat (lots of this in industrial process heat), and electricity from nuclear and hydro sources. Imagining that we replace our heat engines with direct electricity and electrified transport, we need something like 2 TW of total power, accounting for some inefficiency. If you’re happier with half this, fine—a factor of two will not qualitatively change the giant scale of the problem.
The next question is: how long do we need our storage to last? In the Nation Sized Battery post , I argued that we need 7 days of storage for it to be invisible to the end-user. That is, if Americans insist on not changing any of their habits, and having zero storage-crunch outages on a decade timescale (read about the total shutdown of San Diego in a recent county-wide power outage ), then 7 days is probably not far from the mark. I got flak for this choice, but I use it again here because A) it is not all that unreasonable, B) it allows side-by-side comparison to the national battery calculation, and C) you’ll see it does not make or break the case: even one day of storage is super-hard. Divide all my scale numbers by 7 if you wish that I had used one day of storage, for instance.
Note that 7 days of storage does not literally mean that we are prepared to experience 7 days with zero input from the renewable infrastructure. Operating at 30% of the break-even amount over a period of 10 days also leaves the system with a 7-day energy deficit, for instance. This circumstance is not too difficult to imagine: a cloudy winter week over the southwest while the wind speed over the country is half its average value (means eight times less power) over the same period.
So 2 TW for 7 days means 336 billion kWh of storage capability.
First-Blush Pumped Hydro
What scale would this amount of storage require if we did a pumped-hydro scheme? One immediate scale reference is to note that we have 78 GW of installed hydroelectric power in the U.S., amounting to 4% of the target 2 TW demand. Our traditional hydro capacity could not be scaled up by even a factor of two—since the premier river sites have been plucked already.
What about potential pumped hydro installations: not on current rivers, but in the mountains where we could wall off a high valley and fill it with water?
I say mountains because we need a significant height differential for pumped storage to make much sense. We won’t see pumped storage in the plains. The horizontal distance must also be minimized, so we need sharp relief—meaning mountains.
To first approximation, we can imagine mountains as lumps. They have pointy tops that point up. They are distinctly not very bowl-like. Upside-down bowls, maybe. They do, however, often produce hollows (“hollers” in some parts) ringed by arms/ridges of the mountain. Walling off the opening to the hollow allows us to fill this useless void with water. The pikas and marmots can just learn how to swim! We also need another equal-volume body of water below, to catch the water in the storage cycle.
I can’t say that I’ve studied the topography of our lands to see how many places are amenable to these grand-scale engineering marvels. I may be oblivious to the widespread existence of natural bowls perched on the edges of cliffs. Whatever the case, the 22 GW of pumped storage we do have at present presumably picked the primo spots. Instead of fussing over topographical maps, I am using the simple “hollow” model informed by my time in the mountains and staring at relief maps.
In any case, let’s not allow these details to prevent us from doing some math! Let’s say our average candidate hollow allows a 500 m high wall (1650 ft) on one end, and another few-hundred-meter wall lower down for the lower reservoir (the hollow is wider here—maybe even a vale by now—so the same volume is accommodated by less depth and more area).
![round trip efficiency of pumped hydro](https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/filled-hollow-300x277.jpg)
Simple model for filling a hollow with water to height, h.
My model for the hollow will have a V-shaped profile, with sides at a 20% slope and the hollow floor running up at a 10% slope. Thus the 500-m-high dam wall is 5 km across at the top, and the lake extends 5 km back in a triangle. This geometry produces a reservoir 2 cubic kilometers in volume. Considering the tapering shape, the stored gravitational potential energy is 2 billion kWh. We just need to build 170 of these things. Never-mind the fact that we have never built a wall of such proportions. Or the fact that the largest pumped storage facility to date stores 0.034 billion kWh—60 times less capacity.
But let’s continue to play the game: If we indeed demanded 2 TW of power from about 170 pumped-hydro stations, we’re talking 12 GW of production capability each. This is significantly larger than the biggest hydroelectric installation in the U.S. (Grand Coulee, at 6.8 GW). Times 170.
Perhaps I was too ambitious in starting with a 500 m dam height. A greater number of smaller reservoirs would allow more sensible power stations and perhaps avoid turning the seven wonders of the world into the 177 wonders of the world (with lots of redundancy).
The energy stored in the walled-off-hollow scales like the reservoir height to the fourth power! So if we drop to 250 m height (still impressive to me, being taller than Hoover Dam), we need 16 times as many installations (over 2,500), each with 600 MW capacity. For scale, we currently have 24 hydroelectric installations in the U.S. rated at > 600 MW capacity.
![round trip efficiency of pumped hydro](https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Hoover_dam_from_air.jpg)
Hoover Dam: 221 m high; 2.0 GW power; 2.5 million cubic meters of concrete.
I think at this point, you can see why quibbling about the need for 1 TW vs. 2 TW or requiring 2 days of storage vs. 7 days is not going break the logjam of a hard problem. Even accomplishing 1% of the requirement I have laid out would be super-impressive.
All That Concrete!
These dam walls will require a lot of concrete. A survey of dam construction suggests that the base thickness is approximately 65–90% the height of the dam. Picking 75% and tapering to a cusp, our foregoing geometry requires a concrete volume 25% larger than h ³, where h is the dam height. For our 250 m set of dams, we need 19 million cubic meters of concrete apiece. Each dam then contains as much concrete as exists in the Three Gorges and Grand Coulee dams combined! And this is the “ small ” version of our dams. And we need over 2,500 of them. I’m just sayin’.
At an energy cost of 2.5 GJ per ton of concrete, and a density of 2.4 tons per cubic meter, we end up needing 32 billion kWh of energy per dam, and 90 trillion kWh total. This over 250 times the amount of energy impounded by the dams, and represents three years of the total energy appetite of the U.S. today.
Note that I’m totally ignoring requirements for the lower reservoir.
Ample Room for Water Skiing
I’m keen now to understand what this looks like relative to our landscape. How much area will all these lakes take?
In the 500 m dam-height model, the area of the upper reservoir is 12.5 square kilometers. Times 170 reservoirs is 2125 square kilometers. In the 250 m model, we have 3 square kilometers per reservoir, or 8500 km² for the whole set. So the total necessary area scales like the inverse square of the characteristic dam height.
We also need to add the area for the lower reservoir. Since the terrain is likely less sloped lower down, let’s assume that the lower reservoir surface area is twice as big as the upper reservoir, so now we have about 25,000 km² in new lake area (both reservoirs are not full at once, but this land is no place to build a mall).
We get an area equivalent to 160 km on a side. This is the same area as Lake Erie (and more than its volume). Add another Great Lake’s worth of space to the map. No trivial affair. I haven’t asked yet where we get the water for this endeavor. Good thing water shortages are of no concern on this planet.
It is worth also comparing to the area of a photovoltaic system providing the 2 TW of average power. Such performance would require 10 TW of installed capacity (accounting for day/night, sun angle, weather). At 15% efficiency and 1 kW/m² of incident peak solar energy, we need about 65,000 square kilometers of panel—roughly comparable scales. Keep in mind that the water area is based on over 2,500 gigantic 250 m dams, each taller than Hoover Dam, and containing 8 times as much concrete. For smaller, more realistic projects, the area of water could easily exceed the solar panel area. Converting land to pumped storage carries far greater environmental impact than converting to a solar farm, so that storage concerns dominate. Wind takes substantially more land (about 50 times) than solar, so the pumped storage lakes would not rival the area dedicated to wind farms.
Variations and Scalings
We’ve relied on loads of assumptions in our exploration of the potential for pumped storage. It is easy to lose track of the choices and the impacts they have. Is the 20% slope on the sides important? How do things scale with the dam height?
In a general analysis, it works out that the number of dams needed is proportional to the total energy storage required times the side-slope of the hollow (in %, e.g.) times the slope of the hollow floor divided by the height of the dam to the fourth power. But interestingly, the total volume (and therefore energy) required for concrete only depends on the hollow floor slope divided by the height of the dam.
The result is that one 500 m dam replaces 16 250 m dams, while taking only half the total amount of concrete. Scaling therefore favors the big projects over the dinky. Of course the number of acceptable sites for the mega-projects may be too slim, while the pressure to find 16 times as many lesser sites is no walk in the park.
Total lake area scales as the inverse of side slope and the inverse square of the dam height. So, naturally, broader shallower lakes will be more evident from space. Total water volume needed just follows the inverse height of the dams.
Of course any real implementation would have a wide variety of dam heights in the set. I treat them all as the same to establish baseline numbers. Strict averages do not work due to scalings that are not linear, but this at least gives us an idea. An analysis where I allowed a distribution of dam heights would just waste my time and yours.
A common trick is to build a large feed-tube from the bottom of the upper dam to a turbine/pump located far below. This will not be easy to accomplish everywhere, but an additional 500 m drop improves the 250 m dam by a factor of 3.6, and a 500 m dam by a factor of 2.3. Doing this reduces the number of such projects needed by a similar factor (still large numbers). But don’t get too excited by this option: we still need a place to put the lower reservoir. If you give up too much height, you run out of natural walls and vertical relief, demanding a very large flooded area to catch the water.
Comparison to Real Examples
![round trip efficiency of pumped hydro](https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ludington.jpg)
Ludington pumped storage: 110 meters; 1.87 GW; 15 hours; 27 million kWh.
Enough fooling around. Let’s compare this fantasyland to something real. We have 22 GW worth of pumped storage in the U.S., which is about 1% of my 2 TW goal. But they tend to be sprinters rather than marathon runners (typically about 12 hour run-time at capacity), so the actual storage falls short of what we need by a factor of 1500 or so. Think we only need one day of storage? Still a factor of 200 off.
The largest pumped hydro installation in the U.S. (in terms of energy, not power) is at Raccoon Mountain, in Tennessee. I owe much of my air-conditioned comfort as a kid to this facility. Sitting atop a mountain, the reservoir unloads to the Tennessee River 300 m below (technically Nickajack reservoir). The installed capacity is 1.532 GW, implying a flow rate of 575 m³/s. The upper reservoir provides an unusually long 22 hours of service, so that the volume of useful water is 45×10 6 m³, and the energy storage is 34 million kWh. The surface area of the lake is 2.16 square kilometers, resulting in an average depth of 21 m. The (earthen) dam is 70 m high and 1800 m long, from which I calculate a dam volume of about 10 6 m³—about half that of Hoover Dam.
Raccoon Mountain: 302 m; 1.53 GW; 22 hours; 34 million kWh.
What can these real numbers tell me about my simplified geometry and the guesses that went in? The main difference is that the Raccoon Mountain geometry has much gentler slopes: something like 3–5% up the “hollow,” and about 8% up the sides. We would need 10,000 Raccoon Mountains to meet my baseline energy capacity—although we could scale back on power per unit. This becomes 50,000 if you can’t use the trick of dumping to a reservoir far below. For 10,000 replicas of Raccoon Mountain, the total lake area (including the area of the lake below) is about three times the size of Lake Erie (Lake Superior-size). The dam volume is about one-fifth what we had before, becoming comparable to the extent that the deep-drop trick is not employed. The total volume of water sequestered is comparable for the two cases (because this is just mgh , and our baseline had h = 250 m, while Raccoon Mountain uses h = 300 m).
Re-purposing the Hydroelectric Infrastructure
If at any point in this development you thought, “wait a minute: why build all these giant dams in the mountains when we’ve got large lakes and dams already, with water already delivered to the doorstep?!” then you are not alone: I wondered the same thing.
The first note is that our installed hydroelectric capacity in the U.S. is 78 GW; a factor of 25 short of the necessary full-scale capacity.
The next note is that water flow is not always available to realize the capacity of the installed power. For instance, the U.S. hydroelectric plants produce about 270 billion kWh each year, which is only 40% what would be delivered if all dams ran at 100% capacity all year round. For example, Hoover Dam has an annual production of 4.2 billion kWh, which is 23% of what the 2.08 GW installed capacity could churn out in a year. Even the mighty Columbia fluctuates enough that the Grand Coulee dam only realizes 35% of its capacity.
These points are relevant because in order to achieve the necessary 2 TW power output, we need to multiply the hydroelectric capacity flow by a factor of 25, or a factor of 60 greater than the average flow. We might predict a few erosion problems here and there.
Let’s Do It Anyway!
Let’s not be wimps. Let’s just beef up our hydroelectric capacity at the developed sites and ask whether we have enough energy storage behind the dams. One way to look at this is to figure out how much power would be generated if all lakes impounded behind hydroelectric plants dropped by one meter over a 24 hour period. Computing this for each dam based on each lake’s surface area yields a total of 170 GW of power. We need more than this. Our demand for electricity alone in this country averages 450 GW, and of course we’re shooting for about four times this to cover all our energy demands.
The upshot is that getting sufficient energy out of the current infrastructure would require draining each reservoir by a little more than 10 meters per day. But as the lakes drain, the surface area shrinks, so that my ten meter estimate is too low. Additionally, many dams will tap out once we get beyond the 10 meter range, and the fact that the energy delivered drops as the height of water drops reduces the capacity further. Using the volume reported behind each dam, I find that draining all reservoirs over a 7-day period delivers a power of 500 GW. Of course dams are often serial along a river, so we get to re-use water along the way. This will give us a factor of several, and put us close to our need.
But let’s not forget that our scheme here involves emptying all the lakes and rivers of water, and at a rate far in excess of what the channels are accustomed to carrying. It’s an extreme maneuver.
Drain the Great Lakes
While we’re having “fun,” let’s see what we could get out of the Great Lakes. The upper four lakes are all at essentially the same elevation (6 meter drop from Superior to Erie), while there is a 99 m drop between Erie and Ontario. We call this Niagra Falls, although only half the drop is developed across the falls proper.
If we drained one meter from every upper lake, we would get 54 billion kWh of energy: about a sixth of the target capacity. If performed over seven days, the flow would be 375,000 cubic meters per second, or 125 times the normal flow over the falls. Now I’d pay to see that! But I would first want to visit every town along the St. Lawrence River one last time.
If we tried to trap the water in Lake Ontario so-as to spare those downstream of the wrath, its level would rise 12 meters (39 feet). Watch out Toronto & Rochester!
The pipe delivering this water to the turbines would have to be over 125 meters in diameter (or 160 tubes each 10 m in diameter) to limit the velocity of the water through the pipes/turbines to below freeway speeds! What fun.
Am I Insane?
Why do I always do this: pick a challenge and show how ridiculous it is to solve the problem by a monolithic approach? Maybe I’m the one being ridiculous!
This tendency is a reflection of my quest to understand how we might face the tremendous energy challenges ahead. The first step is always to assess the potential of a solution relative to the full-scale demand. If it wipes the floor with an excess capacity, then great: it is inarguably a no-brainer go-to solution. If it comes up short, that’s very informative too.
Yes, a diverse portfolio of a half-dozen inadequate solutions may be able to add to an adequate solution. But a half-dozen woefully inadequate solutions cannot pull off the same stunt. So far, my quest keeps turning up the woefully inadequate type. The scale of fossil fuel replacement is so daunting that we very quickly get into trouble when putting numbers to proposed solutions.
A common reaction to the Nation Sized Battery post—especially on the Oil Drum Forum —was that I was being silly by considering a full-scale lead-acid battery, and that pumped storage was such a more obvious solution to the problem. It was not obvious to me, but I had not yet done the math. The fact that just one of the “small” dams considered here has as much concrete as the Three Gorges and Grand Coulee dams combined is humbling. I would be impressed if we made one. I would be astounded if we made 25. And this just gets us to 1% of our need (or 7% if you still bristle at a 7-day battery).
It is clear enough that pumped storage exists and works quite well in certain locations. But demonstration does not imply scalability, and scaling the existing installations did not deliver a radically different answer (in fact, demanding more installations). The enormous scale I calculate means simple factors of two or even ten here and there do not change the overall flavor of the conclusion.
Let’s be clear that I am not making any claim that large scale storage at the level we need is impossible . But it’s far more daunting than almost anyone realizes. It’s not a matter of “just” building up when the time comes. We could easily find ourselves ill-prepared and suffering insufficient energy supplies, intermittency, and a long, slow economic slide because we collectively did not anticipate the scale of the challenges ahead.
Acknowledgment: Thomas Tu contributed research on hydroelectric installations, consolidating capacity, height, and capacity factors for dams, along with surface areas and volumes of impounded lakes.
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There is a proposal on the table in Germany to lift a large piece of stone instead of water. The claim:
“The key advantage of this approach lies in the extraordinarily large amount of energy that could be stored and the relatively small investments compared to a similar hydro storage.” Like your article, they tak about storing days of the nation’s electricity demand. It would also need less space than water pumped storage.
http://eduard-heindl.de/energy-storage/index-e.html http://eduard-heindl.de/energy-storage/energy-storage-system.html
They plan to get funding to build a pilot.
If that worked, would we re-enter the stone age? This is so crazy I don’t know what to say. Density gains you only a factor of three or so. And stones don’t flow very well, so its hard to get hundreds of meters of height like you can with water. I didn’t think they smoked much marijuana in Germany…
The specific plan (click on the link) is to use an underground water resevoir to lift a vast stone piston. The energy is in the potential energy of the stone, which provides hydraulic pressure on the water. You get a multiplier from the density, as you point out, and also might find it a lot easier to find suitable sites.
Stone just isn’t that big a help and as tmurphy rightly pointed out, it’s a solid whose size and shape is generally fixed. Water can transport itself great distances vertically or horizontally and it’s quite malleable. Self-malleable.
It also occured to me that to have a solid – solidity aside – give you an order of magnitude density improvement or more, your choices for starting points are e.g. silver, lead, and thorium. If that’s a little too rich, toxic, and/or radioactive for your blood, you can trade down all the way to iron at 7.9g/cm^3, but you’d have to scale up the height or the amount to compensate.
I’m concerned about what it will take to implement the storage it would take to even out the generation from wind, solar, and other intermittents, even if the storage is co-located with those facilites. Economies of scale suggest that you wouldn’t want to.
This “piston” idea also completely omits the problem to produce a high pressure resistant hydraulic-grade seal around the stone slab. Stone doesn’t float, so if the piston doesn’t seal perfectly, you end up pushing a ring of water upwards. The paper only states “the piston is sealed”, but nothing about how they want to achieve that in such a large scale.
Once again, a great analysis! I was reasonably convinced already, by my own even rougher numbers that this was a no-go, but your explaination bought it home very vividly.
I guess the next topic should/could be doing the math on large scale compressed air/gas storage. Hey!, maybe we could use all that sequested CO2 and kill two birds with one stone! (actually, could we? hmmm…)
How about 70,000 GPM Peaking Plants instead: http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-new-energy-storage-option-gravity-power/ http://www.gravitypower.net/
Really enjoying all the posts! Are you familiar with David MacKay’s ‘Sustainable Energy – without the hot air’: http://www.withouthotair.com/ ?
See my response to J Anthony below, which addresses this concept. Glad you got the 70,000 number too. David MacKay is a hero to me. His book is one of the few links in my blogroll.
There are a few good micro hydro electric generators that work with low head. Might it not be better to generate when needed rather than store. Barring drought this might make more sense.
I guess i question the total size, requirements based on your 500m assumption. if u assume something like 1500m or so u drastically alter the issue As the height scale is X^4 that minimizes our requirement by a factor of 81.
Heck if you used something like Flagstaf, AZ =>Phoenix, AZ thats about a 1800m.
Correct me if Im wrong, but via your design of 500m u said that there was a 340 cubic km of water requirement. (2 cubic km per each of the 170), divided by 81 gives us ~4.2 cubic km of water. if u assume we build this as a dug lake height is 1km in depth your talking about a space of only 2 by 2 km.
If u build the plant at the bottom edge of this new “lake” it seems “reasonable” we could dig this out. now I’m ignoring what u do with the waste water/inflow water, but it seems reasonable that its not a always needed and u COULD just create an outflow river and pump in sea water from the gulf of California. I’m not saying that’s an efficient measure electricity wise to build up the energy, but as far as actual storage it seems like a doable thing.
You can’t scale volume the same way: the factor of 81 would apply to the number of dams, but the volume would just be reduced by a factor of three.
I shied away from the 500 m mega project, you ran the other way!
For 1500 m projects, you would need two; the volume of water would be 55 cubic km each (bigger than any reservoir in the U.S.), and the concrete needed for each dam would be 4 cubic km (about 400 times as much as in Three Gorges). Now I know why I ran toward smaller projects: I have a tendency to follow the slope from fantasy to practicality.
Great post. Very educational applied physics. Pity our politicians can’t do math
Would you be interested in doing the numbers for solar powered satellites?
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/11/13/idINIndia-60496820111113
Obvious problems are the sun not shining at night, collecting and converting the energy in space using mirrors or solar panels, microwave atmospheric absorption and losses from the rectenna collection.
Regards, Gary
Uh, a main point of SPS is getting around “sun doesn’t shine at night”, because with the right orbit there is no night. Also no weather.
While I’m commenting: “Wind takes substantially more land (about 50 times) than solar, so the pumped storage lakes would not rival the area dedicated to wind farms.”
Though OTOH wind is far lower impact on the land it uses than anything else; you can still use the land as farmland or preserve. It’s not shading the land like solar or drowning it like water. And some of the ‘land’ is off-shore ocean. (And how much land is used presumably depends on the wind speeds.)
Wind does kill birds, a lot of birds, this is by count under the rotors at every location where wind turbines have been installed. This makes it unsuitable for many locations and shows that it is not risk free or low impact.
David MacKay makes the point that domestic cats take a far, far, far greater toll. Now if windmills were also cute!
I think the fantastic cost rules anything like this out. The advantages in being in space are energy generation factors of perhaps 2-5 at most I guess. But the cost of getting it into space is many many orders of magnitude greater (and you’ve got to maintain it). It just isn’t going to happen. Someone else can do the math if they like.
Well put. Anything involving a lot of mass in space is going to kill the economics. And getting the energy down to Earth is anything but easy—despite what enamored proponents might say.
But solar from space isn’t the subject of this post, so I will not continue this thread—though I will add that Chris Nelder offered his link on the topic .
Space based energy systems will never work out due to the energy cost of lofting them into orbit, it does not scale. I believe that it took 10% of the production of the US for 8 years to put a few men on the moon. The rocket that did that was the most powerful energy converter that mankind has ever produced and used out side of the bomb.
Brilliant post. I once calculated that I’d need a chunk of concrete the size of my two-car detached garage, lifted to a height of 130 feet to supply reliable power to my house from the wind and solar resources available. Imagine a neighborhood full of those! (however, you could use the same tower for the turbine and to hoist the counterweight…)
[edit: counterweight just means weight]
Energy storage is of course needed because the most promising alternative energy sources aren’t on all the time, and don’t have their peak production in phase with peak demand. Electricity generation is of course the most useful goal of energy storage, but I wonder how much demand could be shifted to other storage. The specific example I have in mind is for air conditioning and refrigeration: could we make ice during peak generation and melt it during peak need?
The Dutch were considering a scheme (can’t find a good link) where they built pumped storage at sea. Basically you encircle a huge area of sea and then pump the water out when you have excess electricity and then let it back in again when you need power. If you were lucky it also became a source of tidal energy. Less planning issues (perhaps, what about international treaties?)than land based pumped storage and your volume scales well with wall circumference, but a massive initial investment. Still they thought they had the experience from building dykes. I’d be interested to see some number on that idea…
Who will build and repair that? Aquaman?
At least we know for sure they DO smoke weed in Amsterdam…
actually, you could “just” anchor a huge ballon to the bottom of the sea, and compress air into it – against the pressure of the water, so it would even be gravity storage in a way! Having a soft, submerged container would lessen some of the problems with waves shaking your structure apart.
Problem is, compressing air is less efficient than pumping water.
A company that is developing this technology claim a 70%+ operating efficiency.
http://hydrostor.ca/home/
When you compress air, it heats up. In an underwater balloon, it will cool off. That represents a sizable loss of energy.
This is a generic issue with compressed air, and whether underwater or not, the compressed air will heat to above ambient and then have to cool back down to ambient. Sure, it’s a little worse if the storage is a bit colder then the ambient air, but this is not a huge loss for the sorts of temperatures we’re talking.
Also, in any compressed solution, charging slowly enough prevents heat-up-loss from being a serious loss.
I heard about that. I think they concluded that the costs would be too high, but I’m not sure. They called the idea “energy island”.
Here’s another “magic bullet” I keep hearing about — CAES.
Compressed Air Energy Storage has some problems for sure – heat buildup being one of them. But both heat and pressure can be used for energy. In an earlier post, you briefly talked about household level compressed air storage, and it had some advantages. I’m sure I’m not the only one who’d be interested in seeing your thoughts air pressure being used for grid scale storage.
In the scenarios I’ve seen, a man-made underground cavern is used to store the air pressure, plus surplus heat in a pebble bed (in some designs, temps go over 1000 degrees F.) The air pressure can be used to drive a turbine or a modified steam engine (as an example), This will sound counterintuitive, but the heat has to be used to keep the turbine/engine from freezing up as the air expands. Some existing CAES systems use natural gas to heat the expanding air.
I hear that the hard part of building the cavern is just drilling through the cap rock. After that, water jets can hollow-out a large volume cheaply and quickly. But I’m no geologist.
What’s your opinion. Is CAES just more noise or something to start investing in?
I enjoyed your article on Peak Oil and pumped hydro storage. If the US is to survive the looming end of cheap energy then we need to localize as much as possible. The most local you can get is your own home.
First – Build super-insulated, tight homes that use much less energy.
Second – Install solar, wind, or whatever is next at the home site to supply its energy needs and then some.
Third – Store excess supply. Here is where I think pumped hydro may work in many areas. I have a 300 foot elevation difference on my rural property. If I have a 1 Kw excess capacity in my solar array (and five hours of sunlight) I can use 5 KwH to pump water to a tank at the top. When I need that potential energy I can let the water drive a micro-hydro generator at the bottom. If it’s only 80% efficient I’ll get back 4KwH at night. Owners without a handy water head could use a grid-tied system (or compressed air or something else) to store their excess.
By having homeowners energy self-sufficient, brownouts and blackouts become an historical footnote. Local homeowner energy production is clean and non-polluting. Large enough systems could power personal electric transportation. Add local farmer’s markets and industries and you’ve just about made the transition to a post-oil world.
I agree mostly although instead of seeking energy-sufficiency on the level of individual homes, it makes more sense at the community level. An energy-efficient community with a small CHP (combined heat and power) plant, fueled with sustainable biomass, and an array of wind turbines and perhaps solar power installations. You don’t need to achieve 100% sufficiency, the important point is that load on the the far-distance grid can be reduced substantially, perhaps by an order of magnitude (don’t forget that this starts with efficiency and conservation). The remaining problems will be a lot easier to solve.
Installing more hydro reservoirs is emphatically not the answer. The environmental and social cost of large scale dams is steep. There are other small-scale solutions to the storage problem. Some cities store electricity from night wind in the form of ice underground and use it to cool buildings during the day. There are also some approaches to storing solar heat (see http://www.slideshare.net/amenning/solar-energy-9778330 ). A single comprehensive solution, such as explored in the blog post, is simply unrealistic but that is really no reason for despair. A sustainable energy infrastructure will have to be diverse, scalable and decentralized. http://www.slideshare.net/amenning/
Hydrogen of course has some promise as a storage medium. Maybe that will be the topic of the next post?
Excellent article as always, and a little depressing. Need to brush up on my camping/backpacking/survival skills.
If in fact we need “65,000 square kilometers of PV panel” has anyone (winking at you) ever measured the area of southern exposure roof tops on home across America? PV Panels are nice, but I was looking at something the other day or month that was a PV shingle. Hence you would cover the entire roof with this PV shingle (like other shingles but with pv properties). I believe it was CIGS like and had lower efficiency % but higher area coverage and cheaper price (maybe).
Of course this would mean that all homes would have them and then be tied onto the grid with sell back and such. Hard in the cities where whole buildings are in the shade most of the time. We will still need all the hydro we got and some PV farms in the desert and wind farms in the midwest.
That was the promise of thin film PV. It has not worked out so far but it may be possible with three layer films.
Good analysis, proving the grid storage problem has not been solved.
Checkout GravityPower.net they are boring holes for a pumped storage solution with a smaller footprint.
I throw in some analysis of that, as well as a second angle on our host’s problem, here. http://mindstalk.dreamwidth.org/298952.html
It’s a clever idea, but scaling up to the 7 days our host wants would take $5 trillion just for the material cost of pure concrete pistons, never mind manufacturing or drilling costs (for 1-2 kilometer shafts), or the iron — 20x more expensive — in their designs. Really, we’re talking tens of trillions.
BTW, the water in their system is just a hydraulic, the real storage element is a 200 meter tall piston or iron and concrete.
My idea is to ignore mountains and simply build artificial Great Lakes propped up by rammed earth. I’m not sure of the cost, but I have lower bounds on the scale needed, about 100-1000x the mass of the coal we burn every year, never mind the engineering of 100m tall (or 1000 m tall) enclosures.
An interesting fact is that earth weighs around 2,000,000 pounds per acre per foot. So it takes a lot of energy to move it around and ram it, more if you have to dug it out prior to the moving and ramming.
I wonder what would be the energy cost of draining rocks instead of building dams. If we can’t build the walls for our reservoir, let’s make a big hole in the ground 😉 Note that I’ve no idea how deep we could go before it would get too hot.
Also, I wonder if we really DO need so much storage. If solution could be global, we wouldn’t have to care about PVs not working during night hours — the other half of this planet will be in the sun at the same time we sleep. How much power do we lose when transmitting it to another hemisphere and could something be done here to improve efficiency? Or are we doomed 🙁
A global energy grid has been proposed – google for Project Genesis. This article by Stuart Staniford has a quick summary of the idea, mentioning losses, costs and so on:-
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3540
It’s a long piece, so just search within the page for “Project Genesis” if you don’t want to read the rest. My take-away: a global grid is technically and financially feasible (just).
Nuclear power.
End of story.
We already generate something close to 50% of our power with nuclear in some areas of the country. Scaling up by doubling or tripling the number of reactors is quite doable in a engineering sense. The waste problem can be drastically reduced if we resumed reprocessing. Left over waste can be sunk into mile deep bore holes or dropped into the marianas trench. In any event, storing the waste has to be easier than building enough hydro storage and solar capacity to cover half the country.
Wind and solar are great. I am having 4.3 Kw installed on my roof. But to seriously run an energy economy the scale of ours without fossil fuels, there is no option other than nuclear. Each post I have read here on different schemes for trying to make solar or wind work just reinforces this fact.
Such certainty. Nuclear is a good stable baseline, but can’t follow demand fluctuations and does not represent a storage solution for the renewables that we will no doubt continue to incorporate. Nuclear can offset some of the storage need (factor of several?)—and that’s useful. But nuclear isn’t all that.
Nuclear is not normally used for to load follow, but that is largely an economic decision. It is cheaper to run them 24 hours a day. French do ramp the power of their NPPs up and down and that is the reason why their capacity factors are lower than in US, for example. (They have to since most of their electricity is from NPPs.) There are some technical issues involved, but some reactor designs have less of a problem with those than others. In principle, there is also no reason why you couldn’t use the power NPPs produce at night to produce some useful liquid fuels for example.
Fissionable material is also a finite non-renewable resource. Nuclear power plants are already consuming more uranium/year then what can be mined. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_depletion It has the same problem as fossil fuels in that we will run out of it eventually. Leaving a waste product far more scarier than CO2…
Although some do claim there is enough uranium to be found in the ocean to outlast the lifetime of the sun, but no one is extracting uranium from ocean water at this point, so I guess it’s all science-fiction for now.
I was flooded with comments about nuclear, which would send the discussion about pumped hydro way off track. I’ll have to dedicated a post to nuclear sometime soon.
Nuclear as in thorium reactors as proposed by Hansen and others is a good source for energy, a lot of energy, safely. They can run on our current nuclear wastes plus thorium which is rather plentiful and their wastes products do not last anywhere as long. Plus twin byproducts of them are that they can produce Rare Earth elements as bi products and do not produce bomb elements. To bad reactors have such a bad name as these are very different from what we are using at the moment. True as in all reactors they provide base load power very well but not peak load easily. Their cores do sour the same as the reactors we currently use so peak power is difficult but for a system it is not an issue that can not be managed.
Great article! Once again You put science agains wishthinking and science wins.
I hope You write articles on other methods of storing energy.
As for solar energy, there has been a major breaktrough in solar energy production. In Spain, they can produce solar energy even at night 😉 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2494075/posts
Regardless of storage form, electrochemical or pumped hydro, if the “national battery” is that which can be quickly charged and discharged (depleted and refilled) then perhaps it should be sized for, say, one day at 2 TW, since as Dr Murphy states the battery/hydro source is really a “sprinter”. Then, for the rare or even freakish outages requiring backup for the additional six days, fall back to the less efficient hydrogen cycle using electrolysis and fuel cell (or gas turbine or other combustion engine), or even fossil fuels. In these rare events the low efficiency or emissions from H2/CNG matter little. In this case the split for the “battery” is 48 billion kWh, and 288 billion kWh sourced by H2/CNG. Using 40% efficient turbines would require 256 billion liters of liquid H2 (10 MJ/liter) standing by, less for fuel cells. By comparison the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve holds 115 billion liters.
NREL seems to have been exploring hydrogen back up scheme for solar and wind for some time. http://www.nrel.gov/hydrogen/proj_wind_hydrogen_animation.html Some do-it-yourselfers have also gone with a solar powered battery-hydrogen hybrid storage backup scheme, using the H2 to run them through the winter completely off the grid *and* power an H2 converted car. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=hydrogen-house&page=2
It is the physical nature of managing hydrogen that stops any system in its tracks that attempts to use it. The efficiency or the amount of use does not matter, Hydrogen’s physical properties make it far to difficult to handle in any scale that we are talking about. It is a non starter in any application that does not require a high graveametric energy density. This limits it to rockets and related uses.
There is a firm in San Francisco working on pulling buoys to the bottom of the bay to store power. I suspect that even if their approach works, you couldn’t scale it up due to the cost of materials, though you do get a little boost from tides. However, this approach could be used for storage at some island locations that couldn’t be part of a larger grid and don’t have the land area for pumped water storage.
The point with the rock lifting concept is: The capacity grows with the 4th-power, the cost with the 2nd-power of the radius. Resulting in a price proportional to 1/r², this means, you can build infinit cheap storage as low as 1$/kWh!
Careful not to get carried away with talk of infinite cheap storage. Scaling arguments can be taken only so far, even when they are accurate.
While I’m not saying the concept of a “nation-sized battery” can be transposed anywhere else, there is already one such “device” working pretty well as we speak. Hydro-Québec’s 26 large reservoirs can store up to 170 TWh of energy (one year’s worth of electricity). Volumes of water and land required are massive (figures for the 5 largest reservoirs: http://www.hydroquebec.com/learning/hydroelectricite/gestion-eau.html ) but the system it could accommodate more must-run renewables if needed on top of the 37 GW hydro capacity already deployed (~1 GW deployed + 2.5 GW scheduled for completion before 2015).
I followed up on the hydraulically-supported falling weight storage system, and found what seems like a more practical version than the German rock: Gravity Power Systems LLC: http://www.gravitypower.net/ with 51 min video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CujxJFXwOns proposes hydraulically supported falling weights in 10m diameter vertical shafts 2000m deep, to provide 150 MW for 4h storage time; groups of 8 shafts would give 1.2 GW for 4h on 3 acres of real estate. Building time of 3y (per 150 MW unit?) is estimated. The company is just prototyping now, proposing commercial systems in 2014. Hoped-for cost $1/watt ($1000/kW) for 4h storage (all this is on the video linked above). Advantages over pumped storage are claimed, a primary one being real estate. How would this compare with the Tom Murphy analysis?
Is it a cute idea? Sure. Can it scale? Let’s see. Based on the information at the provided link the larger system (10 meter diameter tubes) provide 600 MWh per tube (I confirm this is the ballpark expected). To compare to the pumped storage evaluated here, we need 560,000 tubes, 2 km deep, 10 m diameter. This is the same amount of tubular excavation as a subway tunnel that would criss-cross the U.S. about 250 times, or go three times the distance to the Moon. Wowie.
We need a water volume of 88 cubic km, which is 8 times smaller than our 250 meter dams require, or 5 times smaller than the 10,000 Raccoon Mountain installations. The land area is small-ish, at 700 square kilometers.
Each weight is 210,000 tons, which I assume to be half concrete and half iron ore by mass. The weights then need 25 billion cubic meters of concrete (half what we needed for our 250 m dams, twice what we need for 10,000 Raccoon Mountains). But they also need 60 billion tons of iron ore. This amount of iron ore (25% is iron) would build 250,000 steel-heavy Empire State buildings. The U.S. estimated resources (12% of world total) is only twice this in ore, and half this in actual iron content. The proven reserve base is only one-fourth of what is needed.
I like the idea, actually, but does anyone still think this is serious, or another thing we won’t see scale up? Again, accomplishing even 1% of the task would be like the most amazing thing ever: like a two-tunnel subway tube from NYC to LA.
For cost,the 8-tube set would seem to cost a bit over $1 billion, if we can trust the estimate. This works out to $250 per kWh, which is about twice the cost of lead acid. There are problems scaling lead acid too, but it’s presently cheaper.
Tom – salient analysis, as (I’m afraid) we’ve all come to expect. I work in the power plant development industry (solar and wind, 20-150 MW per location). There’s a force your analyses avoid: the permitting authority. For those not acquainted, building power plants requires governmental permission, which is a long, and expensive path for even the most benign of energy projects. I can’t wait until this group tells a county permitting authority that they want to drill 6000 ft holes in the ground and fill them with water. Forget construction, getting a permit for the first project will require years of environmental, cultural and geologic studies in California!
I still think it’s an interesting alternative for places where pumped storage isn’t available due to lack of mountains.
I also think that you are not being quite fair to the hydro storage technologies: It is fairly obvious even without the detailed math, none of them will be a magic bullet against a nation-wide 7-day renewable outage. Pumped hydro (and by extension this gravity power module thing) make a lot of sense for short-term storage with fast response time though. So if we’re talking about 4hours of storage instead of a week, this can actually make a difference. And that is exactly what the GPM people seem to be targeting. I think their main advantage is actually ease and speed of construction: You figure it out once and then you just build a bunch of them. Pumped hydro on the other hand is always individually planned large-scale dams and tunnels and as such, takes much more time and resources to build.
As far as I can tell at this point, long-term storage will have to be chemical, i.e. making hydrogen and then burning it, or something of the kind. At the price of much lower efficiency but with less required land/space/capital.
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How about this idea from Isentropic Ltd. http://www.isentropic.co.uk/
Use a heat pump to transfer heat between two insulated tanks of gravel. Then use the heat pump in reverse as a heat engine to recover the heat and generate electricity. Cooling 15 tonnes of granite gravel down to -150°C and heating another 15 tonnes up to 500°C is sufficient to store 1MWh of electricity. Round trip efficiency of 72% to 80%. And before anyone suggests it, no, it does not break the Carnot limit. As a heat pump, it transfers more heat energy than it uses electicity to do so by a factor given by the coefficient of performance. In an ideal fully reversible system this factor is exactly what is required for the heat engine to regenerate all the input electricity operating at ideal thermal efficiency. This indeed is what reverability means.
Isentropic believe they can come fairly close to reversibility with a reciprocating compressor/expander using a Brayton cycle.
There is plenty of gravel in the world, it occupies a fraction of the space of a pumped storage system and it can be put anywhere.
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So much for Wind and PV.
It’s time to break that mould of assumption that PV & Wind are THE renewable options. They ain’t. A custom-made super-grid cuts, but doesn’t remove, the need for a weeks-worth of reserve power capacity, which pumped storage evidently cannot get near providing, even in the mountainous USA. (Consider Holland too).
Geothermal, Biomass, Solar-thermal-salt and Ocean Wave offer power on demand. (Varies slowly with the latter option, but effectively flows without interruption). That diversity of power-on-demand sources directly avoids the scale of pumped storage that over-reliance on PV and Wind would demand.
IF pumped storage could meet the reserve capacity needs of a 10% reliance on PV & Wind (big IF) that implies the need of 90% being met by the four scaleable baseload sustainable energies above (with minor contributions from Micro-hydro, etc). At present, due to the mal-priorities of enviros, entrepreneurs and officialdom alike, these baseload energies’ combined deployments/year are perhaps only 1/100th of the two over-hyped intermittents, when they would need to out-deploy those two options by at least nine to one.
Thus to quantify the relative priorities in new energy supply it could be said that the next unit of baseload sustainable energy will be at least 900 times as important as the next unit of Wind or PV.
The simple reason for solar and wind emphasis is the math. These are the only options that come close to being able to reach full-scale. That gets people excited. And the technology is relatively cheap (wind competitive with fossil, solar getting there fast).
I’ll soon evaluate a variety of other ideas. For now, I will refrain from launching an off-topic debate on the pumped storage page…
Tom – thanks for your response – and also for your many fine articles that have been both informative and a pleasure to read.
Some queries regarding people getting excited over wind and PV having potential to supply the full power requirement, and these options’ nearing cost parity with fossil supply –
I’d understood that both geothermal and solar-thermal-salt potentially share both those attributes, while your analysis has shown the requisite pumped storage reserve capacity for Wind and PV to be utterly unnaffordable, thus negating any prospect of their true competitiveness at scale. Even as part of a rational future portfolio strategy their competitiveness with sustainable baseload options has to be in question.
I look forward to your evaluation of the other energy supply options, and would hope that, this being a critically global issue, you’d consider options’ merits including their applicability to the resources of simple developing societies that are currently increasing their fossil fuel dependency.
My “solution” to the storage problem is to advocate changing the grid from being demand-based to being supply-based.
Currently the grid is demand-based in the sense that users demand power from the grid, at any time and in any amount, and the generating infrastructure does whatever is necessary to meet that demand.
With a supply-based grid the generating infrastructure, ideally including much solar and wind, supplies whatever it can and we modulate demand to meet supply. The obvious way to modulate demand is to vary the price. When it’s sunny and windy then power is cheap. When it’s dark and calm then power, which at that point has to come from hydro-electric, is expensive. How expensive? Expensive enough to bring down demand. This would require a lot of changes to mindset and metering, but mindset is going to have to change anyway and many places already have smart-meters installed.
I can already hear people howling that this isn’t acceptable because, ah, um, because it’s different than the way things are now. Well bad new: there is no doubt that in the near future things are going to be very different than they are now; the only question is about the nature of the difference.
We have a supply-based grid now because fossil-fuel powered generating station worked well with that model. As we move to generating stations powered by renewables then moving to a new grid model makes sense. And if you personally need power any time regardless of weather, there are always lead-acid batteries.
Tom: if there is any math to be done on this, I’d love to see you do it.
That’s just an indirect way of dealing with the real problem, which is demand. If we’re going to let the power grid send that message, why not start talking directly about it and formulating shared plans for transition?
The answer, of course, is that the overclass won’t permit it. Their wealth and power is premised on treating energy demand as a non-issue.
It is not a question of overclass, but the fact that a big chunk of our modern high industrial productivity comes from the 24/24 use of costly productive assets. If these assets are forced to function intermittently, the loss of wealth due to intermittency will be extremely significant, and it is not only the overclass that will suffer from it.
I don’t disagree about the widespread nature of the costs and sacrifices of backing down from cornucopian industrialism. My point is different: Why are we not permitted to discuss this issue?
I’m all for discussing this issue, but this is not the ideal forum (math/physics/estimation focus). If anyone knows of a place where the discussion focuses on sociological aspects of our energy future, fire off a comment and I’ll post (or possibly consolidate) links here.
Hi Tom, Thanks for another excellent article.
So BAU cannot continue. That is becoming a given for many. But what will continue?
Eventually industry will take primacy again because it supplies the jobs. So how much pumped storage is needed to keep the industrial sector operating with a smooth power supply? There are many industrial processes that must have consistant power to be efficient. What do we need to keep those running?
Tom, if you do the math on sensible heat storage you will find that three cubic kilometers of basaltic aggregate can store your 7 day energy requirement using 500 C delta T (includes conversion losses from thermal to electricity). This is relevant only to CSP, not PV or wind, but we do have the solar resource required. Cost of such an amount of storage…about $250 billion. That’s a small price to pay for base-load solar.
Another technology where the storage already exists is OTEC, but temperatures are so low that conversion equipment costs a lot. Floating OTEC facilities in the tropics could generate the teraWatts required and ship the energy as ammonia to where ever needed. Figure $10/W of capacity. That’s a lot of money for one teraWatt, about 2.5 times what the federal government has borrowed in the last three years.
You should study the history of why ammonia was dropped from use as those reasons are still relevant even more so if one thinks about shipping the stuff in quantity around the world.
What do you think of Chris Nelder’s post today on crowdsourcing to scale?
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/energy-futurist/crowdsourcing-the-energy-revolution/192?tag=content;roto-fd-feature
“Second, the town develops local storage. Again, a whole range of technologies are available here, including residential- and commercial-sized battery arrays, pumped water systems, distributed flywheels, compressed air in underground caverns, molten salts, ammonia synthesis, and many others. . . The final step is to deploy switches that would allow the town to disconnect from the main grid when it goes down, and fall back on their own capacity.”
Tom and I have taken two completely different tacks on the question of storage in these pieces. I presented some plausible, real-world technologies that can be deployed in a distributed manner, without attempting to do the math on how it might all be done (which would be an extremely complex effort, best attempted by a team at the DoE, NREL or similar). Tom presented a thought experiment to determine if just one storage technology, pumped hydro, could support the entirety of US energy demand if supplied by renewables. That approach isn’t prescriptive, it’s just a useful way of estimating a given technology’s capacity within an order of magnitude.
In reality, we would never use just one storage technology, just as we have never used, and never would use, just one form of energy generation.
Ultimately what we have to figure out is what can be done, and where. The answers will vary from place to place.
Step one would be to cut the problem down to size. Many studies suggest that efficiency gains (everything from insulation and windows, to appliances, to ground-loop geothermal heat pumps) could cut about 30% of our existing demand. When you transition the majority of 240 million cars and light trucks to rail, you can cut another big chunk.
Step two is to deploy every kind of renewable power generation where it’s technically and economically feasible, as I outlined in that article.
Step three is to figure out the storage mechanisms. Very modestly-sized battery banks (able to provide one or two days of backup) installed along with solar PV on 100 million homes and commercial buildings could cut the solution space down substantially. Grid interconnection (e.g., linking the Midwest wind farms to the Southwest solar PV capacity) can reduce the need for storage further. Small (or large) hydro storage in places with elevation supplies another wedge of solutions, but it certainly doesn’t need to do it all. CAES where salt caverns exist (like the ones we use for the SPR) can provide another municipal-sized wedge. Ammonia and hydrogen synthesis can be used almost anywhere. Adding thermal storage capacity to solar thermal plants can supply a substantially bigger slice of capacity than they do now. And so on. After all of that has been done, you have a very modest remaining need for on-demand peaker plant capacity powered by natural gas. And, as Germany has shown, the more renewable capacity you add, the more “baseload” capacity from coal and nuclear you actually need to remove. http://www.unendlich-viel-energie.de/uploads/media/35_Renews_Spezial_Renewable_Energies_and_Baseload_Power_Plants-1.pdf
I am convinced that with a highly distributed, “all of the above” approach to both generation and storage, we can take some big steps in the right direction.
Chris – re your statement: “Tom presented a thought experiment to determine if just one storage technology, pumped hydro, could support the entirety of US energy demand if supplied by renewables. That approach isn’t prescriptive, it’s just a useful way of estimating a given technology’s capacity within an order of magnitude. In reality, we would never use just one storage technology, just as we have never used, and never would use, just one form of energy generation. Ultimately what we have to figure out is what can be done, and where. The answers will vary from place to place. ”
Tom’s analysis explored the feasibility of the most cost-effective storage known (pumped hydro) serving a total reliance not on ‘renewables’ but specifically on the intermittent renewables of Wind and PV. It actually demonstrates that, if no cheaper scaleable storage tech can be demonstrated, a reliance on the intermittent renewable is physically and economically untenable. As you remark, partial reliance on Solar-thermal-salt would diminish the national storage problem, but it would do so specifically by dimininshing reliance on intermittent energy supply options. Thus I’d suggest that the storage problem is actually an artefact of an irrational assumption favouring the intermittent renewables over the baseload sustainable energies, and of a flawed comparison of their costs that excludes the intermittents’ untenable storage costs.
Minor ommission. You mention losses in stored hydro energy is evaporation. The most significant loss, in most cases is leakage of the stored water – through the dam walls, abutments and between valleys.
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There are many other points about pumped hydro your readers may be interested in on this thread: http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/04/05/pumped-hydro-system-cost/ . (Note in particular the reviewer’s comments at the end of the article.)
Some points of interest:
1. The rated power of the project needs to be available 95% of the time to get funded. So the rated power is based on the vertical distance between minimum supply level in the upper reservoir and full supply level in the lower reservoir. Therefore, if the upper reservoir is 100m above the lower, each reservoir has the same area, and the useable active storage is 10m depth in each, then the power rated power is calculated on 80m vertical head, not 100m. This becomes more significant where there is less topographic relief and we can not get the large head differences we’d like. For 50 m difference between the reservoirs, and 10 m active storage in each, the rated power is based on 30 m of head.
2. For pumped hydro energy storage (PHES) to be economically viable:
a. It needs sell lots of electricity to pay for the huge capital investment. So it needs to be used every day, not just intermittently.
b. It needs to buy energy for storage at about ¼ the price it will get for selling.
3. This comment explains in more detail why large scale PHES is not viable (mosatly) as energy storage for unreliable renewables: http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/04/05/pumped-hydro-system-cost/#comment-133008
4. This provides a simple cost estimate of wind power with PHES compared with nuclear. http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/04/05/pumped-hydro-system-cost/#comment-86108
In the end we will have to use less energy. Either nature will force us or we could change our ways – many don’t know this, but our current money system is the main driver of our quest for infinite growth. In a few words, all money is debt; all debt has interest rates; the money for the interest does not exist -> more debt. You can read “Modern money mechanics” by FED to have a complete picture.
As a consequence of this, the real economy must expand faster than the interest rate. This is irrespective of the actual need for products and services, so a lot of “demand” must be artificially created.
Anyway, there are solid grounds to maintain that a change in the system will rapidly reduce energy needs by 50% or more. Not to mention all the greenhouse gases that will not be released into the atmosphere…
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I haven’t seen methane as a means of storing energy from electricity mentioned here.
Basically your ingredients are H20, CO2 and electricity and you get CH4, H20 and O2 as output.
The efficiency electricity -> methane -> electricity is reported to vary from 28% to 45%.
The reasoning is: – the infrastructure to handle and store methane is already established (natural gas is >93% methane) – there’s no other viable means of long term electricity storage
I think this is one of the most important solutions for a future powered by renewable energy because: – very little investment needed, only the conversion plants for the process mentioned above – cars can realiably be powered by methane. Due to tax reasons, natural gas powered cars are cheaper to operate over here in Germany than cars with gasolin – heating can easily be done by methan (about 50% of all homes over here are heated with natural gas) – can easily be converted to electric energy (about 14% of german electrical energy is based on natural gas, mostly for peak electrical loads)
A nice post, but it needs a bit of touching up. Also, another model pumped hydro model is that of the Seneca Pumped hydro and Blenheim-Gilboa unit. These use a 100 acre pond that is made on the top of the hill/mountain -very little concrete needed an lots of storage for te acreage/volume stored.
Anyway, on the US west coast are steep hills/mountians often averaging 500 to 1000 meter drops, which would use ocean water. You can store up one quarter or so of our pumped hydro needs this way -minimal concrete neededacreage needed, adjacent to ocean water.
Lake Superior offers excellant potential for about 75% of its shoreline -from Sault St Marie north all the way back to near Marquette, Mich. And you could also do more with the Michigan sand dunesalong Lake Michigan.
Next comes the Appalachians and New England/NY/Pa. This makes a great case for stopping mountain top removal for coal mining -those mountains would be better used as pumped hydro ponds like The Seneca Project. There is enormous potential associated with Vermont/NY and Lake Champlain, and many of the Finger Lakes.
Some parts of the country are not well suited for PH (Great Plains, for example), but there is lots of wind and not many people there. Places like Florida, the Gulf Coast and much of Texas may have to go with more expensive versions of storage, like compressed air and batteries-but so what, many of them are living large on more productive regions, anyway (esp Florida).
Also, a great way to put people back to work, too -shades of the CCC and WPA…
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Dave – your assertions contradicting Tom’s post offer no mathematical refutation, just confident proposals.
As I’m unable to fault any part of the analysis you reject, I’d be interested to read the mathematical justifications of your numerous assertions.
Is it easier to store heat than it is to store potential energy? My assumption is that it wipes the floor compared to storing electricity, but alas, I have not done the math.
I noticed a couple of comments mentioned storing heat in gravel, which is odd. I don’t have a link handy, but I’ve seen numbers per cubic centimeter that show water is by far the better choice. Yes, I know, liquid salt is better still, but at what cost?
Granted, storing heat at relatively low temperature would really only be applicable to space heating and maybe domestic hot water. Not a solution to the problems of liquid fuels for transportation or steam for electricity, which together I believe account for about two thirds of our energy use in the wealthy industrialized nations.
Then again, if one holds the view that we are already committed to a world without cars and coal fired power plants, wouldn’t it be great if we could still enjoy relatively warm houses and the occasional hot shower?
The trouble with storing energy in water is that there is a limit to the temperature range. Storing vast quantities of steam is not practical on the TWh scale nor is pressurising the water to keep it liquid. Although gravel only has one fifth the specific heat of water, if can be heated to 500°C and cooled down to -150°C on a very large scale as is suggested by Isentropic Ltd. At this temperature range it is storing as much heat as water confined to the liquid range on a weight for weight basis and about 2.5 times as much on a volume for volume basis.
I appreciate all the work that has gone into this estimate, but I think this report evaluates pumped storage for a use regime that is not currently economical and will likely never be economic. Pumped storage needs to be used very frequently to be economic, and the current 7 GW of pumped storage in Europe is used this way. Current pumped storage in Europe either adjusts static nuclear output to fluctuating demand levels, or adjusts fluctuating wind output to fluctuating demand levels. For long (~7 day) downward fluctuations in renewable output, the US will likely continue to use the existing thermal power stations for decades (already paid for and operating, why not) burning either the remnants of fossil fuels or biomass (wood, mostly). Sizing pumped storage to meet tail of the distribution probability does not make economic sense and will not happen. On the other hand, using pumped storage to flatten the daily distribution of solar and wind power already makes economic sense and will likely continue to make economic sense and continue to be expanded.
The logic of your proposal – that extant coal-plant capacity equal to the entire output of Wind and PV should be maintained as back-up for their intermittency – seems rather perverse. The more Wind and PV are deployed, the more extant fossil plant must be maintained and, to defray costs, operated ?
There is of course a sustainable baseload biomass energy potential, but firstly, its use via dispersed gasifiers and combined-cycle-gas-turbines offers far better efficiency than its diesel-haulage to very large extant coal plants that are of far lower thermal efficiency.
Secondly, the priority of maximizing the carbon efficiency of using that biomass resource demands the interrment of about 70% of its carbon as ‘biochar’ (~35% of wood tonnage), whose production provides ~28% of the wood’s energy potential as a crude syngas. This gas can either be combusted for ‘carbon-negative’ power or, more likely in view of the looming liquid fuel scarcity the DOE has forecast, converted to methanol for use in transportation roles.
As to your question “why not” maintain fossil plants to make good the intermittency of Wind and PV, anything less than our most rapid practicable ending of fossil fuel dependence is in effect complicity in genocide (by serial famines) as intensified climate destabilization disrupts global food production.
I hope we’d agree that the real objective is to end fossil fuel dependency ASAP, not to maximize the deployment of fossil-energy-dependent Wind and PV.
Interesting look at this. You can of course just ignore the whole section about the concrete… I work at a pump hydro called Blenheim Gilboa in the Catskills region of New York. We have earth dams. NYPA operates another pump hydro at Niagara. Ours has about 900 feet of head. We can generate 1.2 Gw and our reservoir is good for 16 GWh. I’d say that you’d want to consider a massive reduction in fossil generation and use the gas for emergencies… having 10-20% capacity in natural gas that’s used rarely with an installed capacity of around 2 days of storage is much more practical. If you’re looking at a system like this also it’s best to figure in things like load avoidance programs.
You don’t need concrete, you just need the topology and the free space. Concrete is safer, though.
Thanks—Just to clarify and put in the same units/terms in the article, the capacity is 16 million kWh, which is half the Raccoon Mountain example used in the article. The run time is about 13 hours. The head is approximately 300 meters (comparable to Raccoon Mountain, which also uses an earth dam, BTW).
Tom, very interesting post, as usual, but I have several disagreements. The most important disagreement is: you are rebutting the worst possible renewable/storage scheme, which nobody serious was suggesting.
The question is not whether the worst possible scheme is implausible, but whether the best one is implausible, since it’s the best one which we would choose if we wanted to go renewable.
Well, what are the best schemes? One of the best schemes is to use a combination of solar thermal with overnight molten salt storage, for the summer, and windmills without any storage for the winter. Molten salt storage has a far higher energy density than pumped storage; a 2 GwHt tank is about 30 feet high. Also, solar and wind power are complementary, insofar as the wind is much stronger (in general) during the winter, and solar energy is stronger during non-winter months. Any brief periods when it’s both overcast in the desert (where the solar thermal plants are located) and simultaneously non-windy during the winter in Wyoming, would be met with natural gas intermediate load-following plants. This would probably be only a few days per year.
This scheme is entirely plausible (we have more than enough resources and land area), and it would reduce fossil fuel usage for electricity generation by about 95%.
Engineers and financial decision-makers will use the best and most plausible combinations of renewable energy generation.
Best, Tom S
We have a *seasonal* electrical energy storage mechanism in which the storage has *already* been deployed across the upper midwest agricultural belt. There is more hydrogen in a tanker-truck of agricultural fertilizer grade ammonia than in a tanker truck full of liquid hydrogen. (The NH3 truck is a mild steel shell, the liquid hydrogen truck has a cryogenic rated inner vessel, superinsulation, and an outer shell, thus cutting way down on the liquid payload rate)
There is enough ammonia in transit on Iowa roadways right now to supply generation for a day or two. This ammonia is in transit to the field to be applied before the ground freezes. There will be another burst of transport and application in the spring. Now combine that with the -33F atmospheric pressure liquid ammonia tanks.. and you’ve got a *seasonal* wind energy storage mechanism. It works even better when the ammonia being applied comes from the wind turbine on the farm, and then the excess can be stored for and collected for peaker power generation.
For some numbers (and comparisons to pumped hydro and CAES, take a look at http://grid.coop/storage.pdf , and please give me feedback if you think the numbers are off.)
It’s quite possible to manufacture hydrogen, or ammonia, or some other combustible using excess power from renewables. However doing so has a big cost.
The problem with chemical storage, is that it requires TWO energy conversions: first converting electrical energy to chemical energy (synthesizing ammonia or some other combustible); and then converting the combustible back into electricity when needed, using turbines or something similar. If each of the conversions is 50% efficient (which is optimistic) then the total round-trip efficiency is 25%. In other words, we would lose 75% of the energy stored that way.
That’s the difficulty with energy storage. We can choose either efficiency or vast amounts. The efficient methods (like batteries, pumped storage, and flywheels) retrieve 90% of the energy, but are very limited in terms of how much energy they can store. The large-scale methods (like chemical storage) can store virtually unlimited amounts of energy but are very inefficient (75% losses). Nothing is simultaneously efficient and large-scale.
That’s why it’s crucial to reduce the amount of storage needed, by using multiple kinds of renewables (wind and solar) simultaneously, since they peak at different seasons and complement each other. This reduces but does not eliminate the need for storage.
If we use only 4 days’ worth of storage yearly, then something with 75% losses might be acceptable, especially since renewables are often generating excess power anyway and that power would have been wasted entirely anyway.
“The efficient methods (like batteries, pumped storage, and flywheels) retrieve 90% of the energy, but are very limited in terms of how much energy they can store. The large-scale methods (like chemical storage) can store virtually unlimited amounts of energy but are very inefficient (75% losses). …”
Then choose both! That is, a hybrid storage system can have the best of both. Recognize that the seven ‘days’ of storage proposed here are not be equal in rate of use: the first day is used perhaps every day, the seventh seldom, if ever. The storage system cost and size improves when designed accordingly. For instance, use a high efficiency system (e.g. battery) for that first ‘day’ of storage (48 billion kWh) which might see a charge/discharge cycle every day to handle backing up solar at night. For the remaining six ‘days’ or so, use a lower efficiency chemical fuel storage system where the low efficiency costs little because it is seldom used, nor are concerned with depleting a finite resource if the fuel is produced by solar or other renewable sources. Infrequent use also allows bridge a fuel like natural gas to back up intermittent renewable sources with existing infrastructure while extending current reserves of natural gas. Meanwhile alternative chemical storage sources like energy density king hydrogen could be gradually brought up to scale.
I do not know why few people realize what you have just posted as it domes all chemical energy storage systems to a low conversion rate and in this case what it is converted to is highly toxic.
How about rather than trying to build an enormous energy storage infrastructure, can we not just connect opposite sides of the earth with HDVC so that the sunlit side can power the part of the earth that’s in shadow? Isn’t this feasible or at least more feasible than pumping air in caves, etc. etc.?
I’d call it energy-storage scaremongering to surreptitiously talk down renewable energy into insignificance: a lot of technical blabber all based on the wrong assumptions. Now take a look at this for a change: http://www.beyondzeroemissions.org/
I’m not opposed to renewables (built my own off-grid PV at home and get most of my electricity from it). But I don’t pretend that storage isn’t a huge issue. I’m primarily addressing the damaging attitude that we have abundant viable solutions. If this attitude is correct, then fine—ignore my math/warnings: things will take care of themselves and there is no need for concern. If it’s wrong, then we will ignore the scale of the problem and not prepare adequate mitigation. I hope we go whole-hog on renewables, but we could be dangerously deluding ourselves to assume it is easy and will just happen when the time is right.
What are your thoughts on a transition of fossil fuels/chemical fuels for use as a storage medium only?
In your previous post about storage you showed how small a gasoline supply is needed to power a home for 7 days compared to other solutions.
I know that (in theory) power from renewable energy could be converted into chemical storage. If that was done simply for our battery solution, how feasible would it be?
Here’s an interesting reference. The Bath Country Pumped Storage station in Virginia is the largest in the world by power output. As it happens I walked some of the flow tunnels while it was under construction years ago. The BCPS is 2.7GW, dams are mostly earth and rock fill, cost $1.6B (1985 dollars), so this was a storage project in the neighborhood of a dollar a Watt. http://www.dom.com/about/stations/hydro/bath-county-pumped-storage-station.jsp
It’s storage you really care about and pay for, and for Bath County, this is 27 million kWh. So the cost (in 1985 $) is about $60/kWh. Call it $100/kWh in today’s dollars. This is approximately the cost of a lead acid battery today (can get 1.8 kWh Trojan T-1275 for about $150).
You can get a lead acid battery capable of hundreds of amps (thus thousands of Watts) for $50, making this pennies per Watt. This further illustrates that for storage, it’s the cost per kWh, not the cost per Watt that is most relevant.
That logic assumes the upper lake is drained *once* and the plant mothballed. Just as with utility grade battery storage, the cost per kWh attributed to storage is the capital cost divided by the total number of kWh they system will yield over its *total life time* (adjusted for the time value of money), plus the cost of round trip energy losses per cycle. If we guess BCPS runs the equivalent of six thousand 27 million kWh cycles over twenty years the cost is $60 / 6000 cycles, or $0.01 per kWh, again attributed to the storage system.
I’m sorry, but you are way off base here. No such assumption is built in. The lead acid battery in my example, at about $100/kWh does not mean you only get to use it once: you can get (some sizable fraction of) the 1.8 kWh many hundreds of times, bringing the cost per lifetime-stored-kWh down into the 10–20 cents/kWh range. What you pay for is how much capacity can be stored per cycle. That’s the primary metric of a battery. A small battery cycled many times may have the same amount of lifetime energy storage as a much larger battery (if used/charged at the same power and duty cycle), but the cost and usefulness of the small battery is nowhere near as great—especially in a pinch.
I’m thinking that the right approach is to use the solar hot water heater I already have on the roof and marry it to a huge swimming pool size hot water tank. The tank can take months to get up to temperature and stay there over the winter. Thus providing heating for the house and a source of electrical energy from the waste heat: http://www.eureka.gme.usherbrooke.ca/memslab/docs/PowerMEMS-Rankine-Review-paper-final.pdf
this turbine has the benefit of being small and (hopefully) cheap, but you can get a normal turbine for about $10,000.
(note: I teach this material in the physics department at a large US university)
You mix electricity generation and total energy consumption, which leads to some inflated numbers. US electricity demand is 450 GW, varying from 300 GW at night to 600 GW in the day. (reduce your numbers by a factor of 4)
A more reasonable scenario is to meet all US electricity needs with 450 GW of nuclear, storing the excess at night in pumped storage and using it during the day. I’m ignoring the 10-20% loss but it won’t change the conclusion much. Storing 150 GW for 10 hours means we’re down a factor of 200 from your numbers, so only one facility like you describe is needed for this to work. 50 Ludington/Raccoon Mtn sized facilities could hold the needed energy, but the power is too low and we would need 100 of these.
No one would build a facility in the way you describe. Dams are built in bottlenecks, as seen in the photos of L/RM. So the construction materials demands are much much lower than you calculate.
I appreciate your thoughts, and agree with your numbers. But our pretexts are different. You have 100% nuclear for electricity only. I have renewables for all our current energy needs: thus the “mixing” of electricity with total energy—I’m looking to the larger problem. Replacing current electricity demands with 100% nuclear does not address oil depletion, for instance. Then of course 100% (non-breeder) nuclear runs into resource limits in mere decades. Why would we knowingly commit ourselves to this path? But who knows—we might just do that.
Experience tells me that these comments will launch a full-on debate on nuclear pros/cons. I’m going to stop that here: I’ll get to nuclear in another post—I promise…
I’m a bit late to the party here, but I’d like to question the assumption that we’d need any significant amounts of storage at all.
We’re talking about regional scales, not personal or even local. We already have a grid that ships power at least halfway across the continent, and we can reasonably assume that a smart grid will be part of any massive infrastructure upgrade like what we’re discussing.
With that in mind, we’d build renewables such that the total continent-wide generation capacity is enough to meet demand. And, when you start thinking at that scale, you realize that you really don’t need to worry much about local cloud cover or calm conditions. When the Southwest is cloudy and the PV output drops, there’ll be a storm blowing through the Midwest and the turbines will be at capacity. And at no time will output in either reigon drop to nothing, or even all that far off maximum output.
If you figure out the actual real-world worst-case regional conditions and design your grid to provide adequate capacity for those situations, you don’t need any storage at all.
The only possible way that storage makes sense is if it’s cheaper than building excess capacity, and all these storage solutions sound like they’re far more expensive.
By way of a real-world example, my PV array went live a couple months ago. I sized the PV for 100% offset and added SHW so I’d have enough for an EV I hope to purchase sometime in the coming years. I also had insulation blown in the attic shortly afterward, and the weather has been mild enough that I’ve yet to turn on either heat or A/C.
And, with all of that adding up, I’ve yet to go a day when I’ve used more electricity than I’ve generated. And we’ve had a few stormy days in that mix — I just didn’t do laundry (etc.) those days.
If this were to hold throughout the year, I’d only need enough battery backup for 12-18 hours at most to go off the grid and never run out.
There’s no reason a continental grid couldn’t operate similarly.
A transcontinental grid is certainly a likely partner to a large-scale renewable infrastructure, but unless that infrastructure is seriously overbuilt, your personal experience (which is presumably supported by non-renewables at night) will not convey. I think you’re an outlier saying that storage will not be necessary for a renewable future. The grid can’t create the necessary energy on a much calmer-than usual night, no matter how smart.
The Caspian Sea is well below sea level. It might be easier to use the Black Sea as upper and the Caspian Sea as lower reservoir instead of building them both. You just need to put the difference in height close together horizontally, this could be done by an aquaeduct, with a pumb/turbine at it´s eastern end. Since the Caspian Sea is large, the absolute change in its level wouldn´t be large for amounts of energy typically requiring to be stored, and evaporation would help you with pumping the water back.
The fact that just one of the “small” dams considered here has as much concrete as the Three Gorges and Grand Coulee dams combined is humbling.
Both of those dams also store much, much more water than the dams you’re assuming in your calculations, though – 3 to 10 (Hoover) to 20 times as much (albeit with head heights 3-5x lower).
So there’s clear real-world evidence that storing the quantities of water under consideration is very doable.
Unfortunately, this appears to be part of a pattern, where your assumptions appear to be biased towards pessimism. That isn’t unreasonable in and of itself, but do keep in mind that using consistently pessimistic arguments means that your calculations do not provide a reasonable basis for concluding that a project is infeasible, as an objective observer could rightfully suggest that reality may be less pessimistic.
If you want to provide a compelling argument that something cannot be done, you must use optimistic assumptions, just as someone arguing a thing can be done must use pessimistic ones. To reverse those is effectively begging the question, and will sharply limit the persuasive power of your argument for people who do not already agree with it.
Point taken, and I agree with the sentiment. But comparing a river gorge storage capacity to a pumped storage installation is not fair either. If you compare to the existing pumped storage reservoirs, the scaling holds up reasonably well. The reason is that pumped storage sites tend to use broader, shallower features than river gorge dams, so that the manmade wall must be broad and voluminous. Fewer good “pinch points” in the mountains.
First off, I absolutely love this blog and thank you for writing it. As another data-driven, green nerd, I really appreciate the work you put into it, and eagerly look forward to each new entry.
That said, a request. One of the most common criticisms of environmentalists that I’ve heard is the fact that they tend to focus on what’s bad, on what we’re doing wrong, on what can’t be done. (I’m not saying that you fall into that category, but stay with me, if you would.) At the same time, while acknowledging that it’s certainly a comfortable myth as currently practiced, I do think that the notion of sustainability that has come to the fore in the last 20 years has really done a lot to engage much more of the mainstream population with the idea of addressing the problem.
So, that (lengthy) preamble complete: Acknowledging that a massive reduction in consumption (material and energetic) is an inescapable requirement, what do you envision as a realistic lifestyle in a post fossil fuel world? For example, my mother once opined that sustainability was “shivering in a cold, damp cave in the dark”; what does it look like to you? And what innovations, investments, and sacrifices would it entail to get from here to there?
Again, thanks for your thoughts here, and I look forward to your continued posts.
I am violating my rule of having discussions go off topic, but this one is perhaps of general interest to Do the Math readers, so please forgive me. I can still claim to be new at this business, in any case.
In any case thanks for the note, and I will certainly be formulating something of a vision in future posts—though with the caveat that “visionary” is not my specialty. First, I am working my way through a process mirroring my own trajectory through this subject: initially trying to get a quantitative handle on the scope of the problem and coming to realize that the scale thwarts me at practically every turn. I think only after I have defined the box we’re in will I have the foundation to start talking about ways out of the box, or redefining our box (and no, the box I picture is not a dank cave). The good news for me is that I think there are physically viable paths to a decent future. But those paths will not automatically unfold at our feet, and lifestyles will likely have to change a fair bit. The political challenges are immense, and will only be undertaken if we collectively appreciate the fix we’re in. So I still have a lot of work to do…
Only 3% of the dams in the U.S. have generators. Generators are not being added because this opens licensing proceedings and environmentalists have successfully demonized hydro to the point that dams are being removed. Did you look at the volume impounded by the other 97%?
Recent hydro studies generally place significant limits on “acceptable” sites for reasons other than technical merit. You say “Our traditional hydro capacity could not be scaled up by even a factor of two—since the premier river sites have been plucked already.” but the National Hydro Association disagrees. You may wish to explore how much conventional hydro capacity is actually technically feasible in the lower 48 of the U.S. without artificial limits. In addition, Canada and Alaska have immense untapped hydro potential.
I have not seen this 3% figure, but I strongly suspect that the number would not apply to large dams (large head, large flow). I’ll bet for those projects the fraction with hydro swells to nearly 100%. Once a dam is in, you’ll find little objection to throwing a generator in from environmentalists. It’s the dam and the upstream impacts they want to avoid.
As for exploitation, many river systems (Tennessee, Columbia, etc.) are dammed so that the river is all just flowing lake: the lake level for one backs up to the base of the next dam upstream. So those rivers are—for all intents and purposes—fully exploited. I have seen the 50% exploited number in a few places now. If you could provide a link to a study that says otherwise…
My company owns dams. Trust me, they avoid opening licensing proceedings to add generation, even when the dam has been there for 100 years. There are certainly many reasonable environmentalists, and we need them to provide balance and restrain the drill, baby drill nutjobs. Unfortunately there are many folks who use the licensing proceedings as leverage for unreasonable aims.
2,500 dams of the smaller 250 metre type would require a lot of concrete, do we even have that much cement-grade limestone?
Let’s see: 2,500 dams * 19M m^3 of concrete each * 2,400 kg m^-3 (density of concrete) * 0.1 (10% of concrete is portland cement) = 11 trillion kg of cement.
That’s more than 3,300 times the global cement output in 2010.
Surely tidal power offers a huge potential source of energy from flowing water, without all the expense and problems of building massive dams? Early days yet, but arrays of sub-sea propellor-type windmills sited in high-tidal areas such as the North opf Scotland could potentially harvest reliable and renewable ebergy all the year round.
Nice where you can get it, but small beans overall. I’ll cover this in a post at some point.
Tom – There are some further considerations on your findings on which I’d be glad of your thoughts.
First, I wonder if you’d agree that, until we have a global climate treaty in operation capping and declining fossil fuel combustion, the idea of renewable energy actually displacing fossil fuel usage is wishful thinking, since any fuel that is locally displaced is simply bought and burnt elsewhere ? This being so, carbon efficient energy supply appears a secondary concern compared to the priority of achieving the treaty.
Second, your analysis of PHES seems to indicate a further pivotal deficiency in the intermittent Wind and PV renewables’ viability, but I may well be missing something and so would appreciate your opinion. Given that the goal is a reliable energy supply with very high carbon efficiency, and given that pumped-hydro is easily the cheapest energy storage option currently available, the carbon debt of the immense 250m facility you posit warrants evaluation, particularly given its economies of scale. From your numbers: a 250m dam needs 19m cu metres of concrete using 32,000 GWHrs of energy in its production (32 billion KWHrs), and can supply 0.6GW of power (600MW) for seven days. Assuming that well-sited Wind and PV supplying that PHES facility have an all-year night & day capacity factor of 25%, the dam’s embedded energy and pollution payback is then at best: 32,000GWHrs /0.6 GW /25% capacity /90% efficiency /8,760 hrs-in-yr = 27.06 yrs to payback. Setting a more optimistic capacity factor of 33% it would still take 20.29 years to payback its concrete’s pollution, let alone its additional construction outputs. For a dam serving the energy storage needs of just 600MW of Wind & PV plant even the latter period, in addition to the plants’ own payback periods, appears wholly untenable given the urgency of cutting fossil fuel emissions.
Third, if the intermittent Wind and PV renewables cannot on energy or GHG costs justify new pumped-hydro capacity for their requisite energy storage, I’m wondering what level of deployment of these intermittents could be justified by re-dedicating existing Hydro-power to provide load balancing and the necessary 7-day energy reserve capacity, using their lowest 7-days-of-full-output water-levels + inflow rates as the prudent baseline ? This would of course require some additional sustainable baseload capacity to offset that cut in Hydro-power availability, but with good national supervision some of the annual downtime in new baseload plants could be offset in winter by hydro up-time to allow extra late-summer power capacity, thus optimising plant usage. But again, in addressing the issues of reserve energy capacity, I lack both data and expertise in the math and physics, and so would value your opinion.
Good work. You are successfully demonstrating how doable some schemes are.
Going forward, we (you) should always note the confidence-in and variance-of these schemes. We can’t easily compare something with high-confidence and low-variance to something with low-confidence and high-variance, so we need to make this distinction known up front.
We can kindly compare hydro storage to solar thermal, for instance, but we can’t very well compare them to thorium reactors and theoretical geothermal. Again to the gentleman who said we must prove impossibility with the optimistic outcome, we risk becoming INTELLECTUALLY HOLLOW if we directly compare the best (or worst) case scenario of a theoretical scheme to just digging holes.
Could you write an article about the sustainability of nuclear power? From what I have been reading it seems that only two things are stopping nuclear power from being the obvious solution: 1) Waste, 2) Accidents. Are these the only limitations or will we run out of fuel for those as well?
The scenario here focuses on the supply side, but what if we looked at it as a demand side problem? (as a note, politically it is far easier to build supply side solutions, but lets continue on the “can it be done” model)
Imagine a scenario where energy use in the US was divided into 3 tiers:
1) Tier 3: Very optional power use. 2) Tier 2: Very important, but not critical energy use. 3) Tier 1: Critical Energy Use
So to use a home for a model, your washer/dryer would be tier 3, the refrigerator is tier 2, and the heater in winter is tier 1.
So in this model, we build enough solar capacity to handle all 3 tiers most of the time. If the capacity drops due to low solar/wind activity, we cut tier 3 power use.
If extremely low activity is occuring, we cut tier 2. And then when activity is so critically low that tier 1 is affected….we go to the batteries.
This would allows us to drop the amount of needed storage….but its not the amount I’m curious about but the rate. Right now, synthetic chemical storage is being discounted due to low efficiency of conversion (I believe 25% was quoted above as an optimistic estimate).
I have no idea what percentage of energy use each tier falls in, but lets say 25% tier 1, 50 % tier 2, 25% tier 3.
Under this model, one day of total battery use could be replaced by 4 days of regular days where tier 3 energy use was cut off (assuming the 25% efficiency number noted above).
This puts chemical storage back in the game, and since we already have all of the gas storage infrastructure in place, renewable storage is well on its way to being ready to go.
I put the big caveat to this whole disscussion, that I recognize such a scenario is hardly ideal (think building a dam is hard, tell millions of Americans to go without TV for a few days!). But if other storage options just are simply not good enough, it may be the way to solve the problems.
From a math standpoint, does anyone have an idea what percentage of power would actually be considered tier 1 and tier 3?
The author has erected a straw man – and the straw man has failed as it was designed to do.
The author is not interested in realistic solutions – which do exist. And a much expanded pumped storage (say x10 existing to x20 existing) is very doable and very valuable in matching daily supply with daily demand.
Our current pumped storage capacity is in the neighborhood of 22 GW for 12 hours (about 200 million kWh; less than 1/1000th the goal I set forth). Expanding by 20 would bring us up to the ballpark of 400 GW for 12 hours. Indeed, this would be a giant step toward reliable power, capable of offsetting baseload demand in the electricity sector (approx 40% of our total energy) and only for 12 hours. My sense is that this still falls far short of what we would really need to preserve our current activities in a renewable infrastructure (which has to ultimately pick up the other 60% of energy).
So truly I am not trying to erect straw arguments. I am genuinely trying to outline what it would take to transition fully to a renewable infrastructure and still live like kings. It’s super hard, and people who paint it as easy do us all a disservice.
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Pumped-Storage Hydropower
2021 ATB data for pumped-storage hydropower (PSH) are shown above. Base Year capital costs and resource characterizations are forthcoming and will be based on a national closed-loop PSH resource assessment being undertaken under the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) HydroWIRES Project D1: Improving Hydropower and PSH Representations in Capacity Expansion Models. Operation and maintenance O&M costs and round-trip efficiency (RTE) are based on estimates for a 1,000-MW system reported in the 2020 DOE Grid Energy Storage Technology Cost and Performance Assessment . (Mongird et al., 2020) . Projected changes in capital costs are based on the DOE Hydropower Vision study (DOE, 2016) and assume different degrees of technology improvement and technological learning.
The three scenarios for technology innovation are:
- Conservative Technology Innovation Scenario (Conservative Scenario): no change from baseline CAPEX and O&M costs through 2050
- Moderate Technology Innovation Scenario (Moderate Scenario): no change from baseline CAPEX and O&M costs through 2050, consistent with the Reference case in the DOE Hydropower Vision study (DOE, 2016)
- Advanced Technology Innovation Scenario (Advanced Scenario): CAPEX reductions based on improved process and design improvements along with advanced manufacturing, new materials, and other technology improvements, consistent with Advanced Technology in the DOE Hydropower Vision study (DOE, 2016) ; no changes to O&M.
Resource Categorization
Resource categorization is forthcoming and will accompany the national closed-loop PSH resource assessment. Resource classes will be differentiated by cost as well as other factors that could include reservoir size, generating capacity, storage duration, and dam height.
Scenario Descriptions
Cost reductions in the Advanced Scenario reflect various types of technology innovations that could be applied to PSH facilities. These potential innovations, which are discussed in the DOE Hydropower Vision Roadmap (DOE, 2016) , are largely similar to technology pathways for hydropower without pumping.
Summary of Technology Innovation: Advanced Scenario
Representative technology.
Representative technology characteristics will be included with the forthcoming national closed-loop PSH resource assessment.
Methodology
This section describes the methodology to develop assumptions for CAPEX, O&M, and RTE.
Capital Expenditures (CAPEX)
Resource characterizations are forthcoming and will accompany the national closed-loop PSH resource assessment.
Operation and Maintenance (O&M) Costs
Mongird et al. (Mongird et al., 2020) characterize PSH O&M costs using a literature review of current sources of PSH cost and performance data. For the ATB, we use cost estimates for a 1,000-MW plant, which has lower labor costs per power output capacity than a smaller facility. O&M costs also include component costs for standard maintenance, refurbishment, and repair. O&M cost reductions are not projected due to technological maturity, so they are constant and identical across all scenarios.
Round-Trip Efficiency
RTE is also based on a literature review by (Mongird et al., 2020) , who report a range of 70%–87% across several sources. The value of 80% is taken as a central estimate, and no improvements are projected due to technological maturity, so they are constant and identical across all scenarios.
The following references are specific to this page; for all references in this ATB, see References .
Mongird, Kendall, Vilayanur Viswanathan, Jan Alam, Charlie Vartanian, Vincent Sprenkle, and Richard Baxter. “2020 Grid Energy Storage Technology Cost and Performance Assessment.” USDOE, December 2020. https://www.energy.gov/energy-storage-grand-challenge/downloads/2020-grid-energy-storage-technology-cost-and-performance .
DOE. “Hydropower Vision: A New Chapter for America’s Renewable Electricity Source.” Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Energy, 2016. https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2018/02/f49/Hydropower-Vision-021518.pdf .
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There are a few key technical parameters that are used to characterize a specific storage technology or system. Those characteristics will determine compatibility of the storage with a proposed application and will also have impact on its economic feasibility. Let us go through some definitions.
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Storage Capacity
Capacity essentially means how much energy maximum you can store in the system. For example, if a battery is fully charged, how many watt-hours are put in there? If the water reservoir in the pumped hydro storage system is filled to capacity, how many watt-hours can be generated by releasing that water? Those amounts are determined by storage capacity.
Understandably, the capacity of any storage will increase with the system size. The more battery stacks are installed, the more electric energy can be put in for storage. The larger the water reservoir, the greater energy turnaround becomes possible. The system size should be matched with the load and specific application.
Storage capacity is typically measured in units of energy: kilowatt-hours (kWh), megawatt-hours (MWh), or megajoules (MJ). You will typically see capacities specified for a particular facility with storage or as total installed capacities within an area or a country.
Sometimes you will see capacity of storage specified in units of power (watt and its multiples) and time (hours).
For example: 60 MW battery system with 4 hours of storage . What does it mean?
60 MW means that the system can generate electricity at the maximum power of 60 MW for 4 hours straight. That also means that the total amount of energy stored in the system is:
60 MW x 4 hours = 240 MWh
But it can also provide less power if needed. For example, if the load only requires 20 MW, the system can supply it for 12 hours. The total amount of stored energy is the same, but it is used more slowly:
20 MW x 12 hours = 240 MWh
So power and time ratings give us a little bit more information: we not only know how much energy is stored, but can also define at what maximum rate this energy can be potentially used.
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Energy density.
Energy density is often used to compare different energy storage technologies. This parameter relates the storage capacity to the size or the mass of the system, essentially showing how much energy (Wh) can be stored per unit cell, unit mass (kg), or unit volume (liter) of the material or device.
For example, energy densities for different types of batteries are listed in the table below [IES, 2011]:
Of course, we are interested to store as much energy as possible while using as small and light device as possible for this purpose. From the table above we can conclude, for example, that a fully charged Lead-Acid battery will run out of charge much sooner than a fully charged Li-ion battery of the same mass/size.
Energy density is related to capacity and determines the duration of power generation. Also materials with higher energy density help make the power block more compact, which is useful in portable electronics and vehicle applications.
Just for comparison, the energy density of the pumped hydro storage is 0.2—2 Wh/kg, which is rather low and requires significant masses of water and large reservoir size to deliver utility scale power.
Check Your Understanding Question 3 (Multiple Choice)
Power density.
Power density (measured in W/kg or W/liter) indicates how quickly a particular storage system can release power. Storage devices with higher power density can power bigger loads and appliances without going oversize. Imagine an electric vehicle accelerating from 0 to 60 MPH – which takes a lot of power. If you look at the table below, you will see why Li-ion battery remains the technology of choice for powering electric vehicles, even though some other battery types exhibit similar energy densities.
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The technologies located in the lower left corner of the diagram (low energy density and low power density) take significant amount of space and material to enable the storage conversion and are mostly suitable for very large scale projects. Systems such as PHS and CAES also rely on the availability of specific landscape and geological features to accommodate the storage reservoirs.
The technologies located in the upper right corner of the diagram are most coveted for portable and efficient power supply, such as electric vehicles. These compact systems can carry a significant amount of energy and release it quickly on demand.
The technologies in the upper left corner are special devices that can be used in quick response electronics. These systems store small amounts of energy (and therefore charging can be fast), but are able to provide high power by releasing energy within short period of time.
Finally, the technologies in the lower right corner are characterized by slow charge and discharge, but the advantage is the total high amount of energy they are able to store, providing longer duration of energy supply.
Check Your Understanding Questions 4 & 5 (Multiple Choice)
Storage efficiency.
The main function of any storage device is to uptake and release power on demand. In case of a battery, for example, it would be electrochemical charge/discharge cycle; in case of pumped hydro storage, this process involves pumping water into the elevated reservoir and later releasing the flow through the turbine. Both charge and discharge processes include one or more energy conversions (Figure 10.3). In the figure, each arrow indicates the energy conversion from one form to another.
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Regardless the number of transformations, the energy comes to its initial electric form, which is finally ready to be dispatched into the grid. This is the charge-discharge cycle, the "round trip".
In each conversion, energy is partially lost from the cycle and dissipated into the surroundings, and the efficiency of conversion at every step accounts for those losses.
Efficiencies of all energy conversion steps in this cycle are combined in the metric called round-trip efficiency , which essentially indicates the percentage of energy delivered by the storage system compared to the energy initially supplied to the storage system. The obvious goal is to minimize the conversion losses and thus maximize the overall storage efficiency.
Here are some round-trip efficiencies of various energy storage systems:
These numbers mean the following. For example, out of 1 MWh of energy spent to pump water up to the hydro storage, only 0.7-0.8 MWh will be available to use after the water is released to run the turbine and generator to produce electric power. The other 0.2-0.3 MWh of energy will be converted into non-useful forms of energy and “lost” from the cycle. Some of the energy losses occur in the auxiliary devices used in the energy storage process, very often in the form of waste heat. Furthermore, energy losses may be linked to the mechanical or material losses: for example, leaks and evaporation of water from pumped storage, air leaks in CAES, chemical degradation and incomplete reactions in batteries.
Check Your Understanding Questions 6 & 7 (Multiple Choice)
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Fact Sheet | Energy Storage (2019)
February 22, 2019
Due to growing concerns about the environmental impacts of fossil fuels and the capacity and resilience of energy grids around the world, engineers and policymakers are increasingly turning their attention to energy storage solutions. Indeed, energy storage can help address the intermittency of solar and wind power; it can also, in many cases, respond rapidly to large fluctuations in demand, making the grid more responsive and reducing the need to build backup power plants. The effectiveness of an energy storage facility is determined by how quickly it can react to changes in demand, the rate of energy lost in the storage process, its overall energy storage capacity, and how quickly it can be recharged.
Energy storage is not new. Batteries have been used since the early 1800s, and pumped-storage hydropower has been operating in the United States since the 1920s. But the demand for a more dynamic and cleaner grid has led to a significant increase in the construction of new energy storage projects, and to the development of new or better energy storage solutions.
Fossil fuels are the most used form of energy, partly due to their transportability and the practicality of their stored form, which allows generators considerable control over the rate of energy supplied. In contrast, the energy generated by solar and wind is intermittent and reliant on the weather and season. As renewables have become increasingly prominent on the electrical grid, there has been a growing interest in systems that store clean energy
Energy storage can also contribute to meeting electricity demand during peak times, such as on hot summer days when air conditioners are blasting or at nightfall when households turn on their lights and electronics. Electricity becomes more expensive during peak times as power plants have to ramp up production in order to accommodate the increased energy usage. Energy storage allows greater grid flexibility as distributors can buy electricity during off-peak times when energy is cheap and sell it to the grid when it is in greater demand.
As extreme weather exacerbated by climate change continues to devastate U.S. infrastructure, government officials have become increasingly mindful of the importance of grid resilience. Energy storage helps provide resilience since it can serve as a backup energy supply when power plant generation is interrupted. In the case of Puerto Rico, where there is minimal energy storage and grid flexibility, it took approximately a year for electricity to be restored to all residents.
The International Energy Association (IEA) estimates that, in order to keep global warming below 2 degrees Celsius, the world needs 266 GW of storage by 2030, up from 176.5 GW in 2017. Under current trends, Bloomberg New Energy Finance predicts that the global energy storage market will hit that target, and grow quickly to a cumulative 942 GW by 2040 (representing $620 billion in investment over the next two decades).
Energy Storage Today
In 2017, the United States generated 4 billion megawatt-hours (MWh) of electricity, but only had 431 MWh of electricity storage available. Pumped-storage hydropower (PSH) is by far the most popular form of energy storage in the United States, where it accounts for 95 percent of utility-scale energy storage. According to the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), pumped-storage hydropower has increased by 2 gigawatts (GW) in the past 10 years. In 2015, the United States had 22 GW of PSH storage incorporated into the grid. Yet, despite the widespread use of PSH, in the past decade the focus of technological advancement has been on battery storage.
By December 2017, there was approximately 708 MW of large-scale battery storage operational in the U.S. energy grid. Most of this storage is operated by organizations charged with balancing the power grid, such as Independent System Operators (ISOs) and Regional Transmission Organizations (RTOs). ISOs and RTOs are “independent, federally-regulated non-profit organizations” that control regional electricity pricing and distribution.
PJM, a regional transmission organization located in 13 eastern states (including Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio and Illinois), has the largest amount of large-scale battery installations, with a storage capacity of 278 MW at the end of 2017. The second biggest owner of large-scale battery capacity is California’s ISO (CAISO). By the end of 2017, CAISO operated batteries with a total storage capacity of 130MW.
Most of the battery storage projects that ISOs/RTOs develop are for short-term energy storage and are not built to replace the traditional grid. Most of these facilities use lithium-ion batteries, which provide enough energy to shore up the local grid for approximately four hours or less. These facilities are used for grid reliability, to integrate renewables into the grid, and to provide relief to the energy grid during peak hours.
There is also a limited market for small-scale energy storage. While a minor portion of the small-scale storage capacity in the United States is for residential use, most of it is for use in the commercial sector—and most of these commercial projects are located in California.
In the past decade, the cost of energy storage, solar and wind energy have all dramatically decreased, making solutions that pair storage with renewable energy more competitive. In a bidding war for a project by Xcel Energy in Colorado, the median price for energy storage and wind was $21/MWh, and it was $36/MWh for solar and storage (versus $45/MWh for a similar solar and storage project in 2017). This compares to $18.10/MWh and $29.50/MWh, respectively, for wind and solar solutions without storage, but is still a long way from the $4.80/MWh median price for natural gas. Much of the price decrease is due to the falling costs of lithium-ion batteries; from 2010 to 2016 battery costs for electric vehicles (similar to the technology used for storage) fell 73 percent. A recent GTM Research report estimates that the price of energy storage systems will fall 8 percent annually through 2022.
Selected Energy Storage Technologies
There are many different ways of storing energy, each with their strengths and weaknesses. The list below focuses on technologies that can currently provide large storage capacities (of at least 20 MW). It therefore excludes superconducting magnetic energy storage and supercapacitors (with power ratings of less than 1 MW).
Pumped-Storage Hydropower
Pumped-storage hydro (PSH) facilities are large-scale energy storage plants that use gravitational force to generate electricity. Water is pumped to a higher elevation for storage during low-cost energy periods and high renewable energy generation periods. When electricity is needed, water is released back to the lower pool, generating power through turbines. Recent innovations have allowed PSH facilities to have adjustable speeds, in order to be more responsive to the needs of the energy grid, and also to operate in closed-loop systems. A closed loop PSH operates without being connected to a continuously flowing water source, unlike traditional pumped-storage hydropower, making pumped-storage hydropower an option for more locations.
In comparison to other forms of energy storage, pumped-storage hydropower can be cheaper, especially for very large capacity storage (which other technologies struggle to match). According to the Electric Power Research Institute, the installed cost for pumped-storage hydropower varies between $1,700 and $5,100/kW, compared to $2,500/kW to 3,900/kW for lithium-ion batteries. Pumped-storage hydropower is more than 80 percent energy efficient through a full cycle , and PSH facilities can typically provide 10 hours of electricity, compared to about 6 hours for lithium-ion batteries. Despite these advantages, the challenge of PSH projects is that they are long-term investments: permitting and construction can take 3-5 years each. This can scare off investors who would prefer shorter-term investments, especially in a fast-changing market.
In Bath County, Virginia, the largest pumped-hydro storage facility in the world supplies power to about 750,000 homes. It was built in 1985 and has an output of approximately 3 GW.
Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES)
With compressed air storage, air is pumped into an underground hole, most likely a salt cavern, during off-peak hours when electricity is cheaper. When energy is needed, the air from the underground cave is released back up into the facility, where it is heated and the resulting expansion turns an electricity generator. This heating process usually uses natural gas, which releases carbon; however, CAES triples the energy output of facilities using natural gas alone. CAES can achieve up to 70 percent energy efficiency when the heat from the air pressure is retained, otherwise efficiency is between 42 and 55 percent. Currently, there are only two operating CAES facilities: one in McIntosh, Alabama and one in Huntorf, Germany. The McIntosh plant, which was built in 1991, has 110 MW of storage. A 317 MW CAES plant is under construction in Anderson County, Texas.
Thermal (including Molten Salt)
Thermal energy storage facilities use temperature to store energy. When energy needs to be stored, rocks, salts, water, or other materials are heated and kept in insulated environments. When energy needs to be generated, the thermal energy is released by pumping cold water onto the hot rocks, salts, or hot water in order to produce steam, which spins turbines. Thermal energy storage can also be used to heat and cool buildings instead of generating electricity. For example, thermal storage can be used to make ice overnight to cool a building during the day. Thermal efficiency can range from 50 percent to 90 percent depending on the type of thermal energy used.
Lithium-ion Batteries
First commercially produced by Sony in the early 1990s, lithium-ion batteries were originally used primarily for small-scale consumer items such as cellphones. Recently, they have been used for larger-scale battery storage and electric vehicles. At the end of 2017, the cost of a lithium-ion battery pack for electric vehicles fell to $209/kWh, assuming a cycle life of 10-15 years. Bloomberg New Energy Finance predicts that lithium-ion batteries will cost less than $100 kWh by 2025.
Lithium-ion batteries are by far the most popular battery storage option today and control more than 90 percent of the global grid battery storage market. Compared to other battery options, lithium-ion batteries have high energy density and are lightweight. New innovations, such as replacing graphite with silicon to increase the battery’s power capacity, are seeking to make lithium-ion batteries even more competitive for longer-term storage.
Additionally, lithium-ion batteries are now frequently used in developing countries for rural electrification. In rural communities, lithium-ion batteries are paired with solar panels to allow households and businesses to use limited amounts of electricity to charge cell phones, run appliances, and light buildings. Previously, such communities had to rely on dirty and expensive diesel generators, or did not have access to electricity.
When the Aliso Canyon natural gas facility leaked in 2015, California rushed to use lithium-ion technology to offset the loss of energy from the facility during peak hours. The battery storage facilities, built by Tesla, AES Energy Storage and Greensmith Energy, provide 70 MW of power, enough to power 20,000 houses for four hours.
Hornsdale Power Reserve in Southern Australia is the world’s largest lithium-ion battery and is used to stabilize the electrical grid with energy it receives from a nearby wind farm. This 100 MW battery was built by Tesla and provides electricity to more than 30,000 households.
General Electric has designed 1 MW lithium-ion battery containers that will be available for purchase in 2019. They will be easily transportable and will allow renewable energy facilities to have smaller, more flexible energy storage options.
Lead-acid Batteries
Lead-acid batteries were among the first battery technologies used in energy storage. However, they are not popular for grid storage because of their low-energy density and short cycle and calendar life. They were commonly used for electric cars, but have recently been largely replaced with longer-lasting lithium-ion batteries.
Flow Batteries
Flow batteries are an alternative to lithium-ion batteries. While less popular than lithium-ion batteries—flow batteries make up less than 5 percent of the battery market—flow batteries have been used in multiple energy storage projects that require longer energy storage durations. Flow batteries have relatively low energy densities and have long life cycles, which makes them well-suited for supplying continuous power. The Avista Utilities plant in Washington state, for instance, uses flow battery storage.
A 200 MW (800 MWh) flow battery is currently being constructed in Dalian, China. This system will not only overtake the Hornsdale Power Reserve as the world’s biggest battery, but it will also be the only large-scale battery (>100 MW) that is made up of flow batteries instead of lithium ion batteries.
Solid State Batteries
Solid state batteries have multiple advantages over lithium-ion batteries in large-scale grid storage. Solid-state batteries contain solid electrolytes which have higher energy densities and are much less prone to fires than liquid electrolytes, such as those found in lithium-ion batteries. Their smaller volumes and higher safety make solid-state batteries well suited for large-scale grid applications.
However, solid state battery technology is currently more expensive than lithium-ion battery technology because it is less developed. Fast-growing lithium-ion production has led to economies of scale, which solid-state batteries will find hard to match in the coming years.
Hydrogen fuel cells, which generate electricity by combining hydrogen and oxygen, have appealing characteristics: they are reliable and quiet (with no moving parts), have a small footprint and high energy density, and release no emissions (when running on pure hydrogen, their only byproduct is water). The process can also be reversed, making it useful for energy storage: electrolysis of water produces oxygen and hydrogen. Fuel cell facilities can, therefore, produce hydrogen when electricity is cheap, and later use that hydrogen to generate electricity when it is needed (in most cases, the hydrogen is produced in one location, and used in another). Hydrogen can also be produced by reforming biogas, ethanol, or hydrocarbons, a cheaper method that emits carbon pollution. Though hydrogen fuel cells remain expensive (primarily because of their need for platinum, an expensive metal), they are being used as primary and backup power for many critical facilities (telecom relays, data centers, credit card processing…).
Flywheels are not suitable for long-term energy storage, but are very effective for load-leveling and load-shifting applications. Flywheels are known for their long-life cycle, high-energy density, low maintenance costs, and quick response speeds. Motors store energy into flywheels by accelerating their spins to very high rates (up to 50,000 rpm). The motor can later use that stored kinetic energy to generate electricity by going into reverse. Flywheels are commonly left in a vacuum so as to minimize air friction, which would slow the wheel. The Stephentown Spindle in Stephentown, New York, unveiled in 2011 with a capacity of 20 MW, was the first commercial use of flywheel technology to regulate the grid in the United States. Several other flywheel facilities have since come on line.
Storage and Electric Vehicles
Energy storage is especially important for electric vehicles (EVs). As electric vehicles become more widespread, they will increase electricity demand at peak times, as professionals come home from work and plug in their cars for a nightly recharge. To prevent the need for new power plants to meet this extra demand, electricity will need to be stored during off-peak times. Storage is also important for households that generate their own renewable electricity: a car cannot be charged overnight by solar energy without a storage system.
Interestingly, electric vehicles can be used as back-up storage during periods of grid failure or spikes in demand. Although most EVs today are not designed to supply energy back into the grid, vehicle-to-grid (V2G) cars can store electricity in car batteries and then transfer that energy back into the grid later. EV batteries can still be used in grid storage even after they are taken off the road: utilities are using the batteries from retired EVs as second-hand energy storage. Such batteries can be used to store electricity for up to a decade for grid applications. An example of this can be found in Elverlingsen, Germany, where almost 2,000 batteries from Mercedes Benz EVs were collected to create a stationary grid-sized battery that can hold almost 9 MW of power.
Federal and State Energy Storage Policies
In February 2018, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) unanimously approved Order No. 841, which required Independent System Operators and Regional Transmission Organizations to remove barriers to entry for energy storage technologies, by having these groups reevaluate their tariffs. The FERC believes this will lead to greater market competition in the energy grid sector.
In May 2018, the Department of Energy's Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA-E) committed up to $30 million in funding for long-term energy storage innovation. The funding went to the Duration Addition to electricitY Storage (DAYS) program, which focuses on developing new technologies that can make it possible for energy storage facilities in all U.S. regions to power an electrical grid for up to 100 hours.
Several U.S. states have taken a keen interest in energy storage, and their policies can serve as inspiration for others.
- Hawaii , where importing fossil fuels is very costly, has been at the forefront of the transition to renewables and energy storage. Two recent Hawaiian Electric Industries projects come in at 8 cents per kilowatt-hour, half as much as the price for fossil fuel generation in the state.
- Massachusetts passed H.4857 in July of 2018, setting a goal of 1,000 MWh of energy storage by the end of 2025.
- New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced in January 2018 that New York had set a goal of reaching 1,500 MW's worth of energy storage by 2025. Under this directive, New York Green Bank has agreed to invest $200 million towards energy storage technologies.
- California's three largest electric cooperatives have been mandated to develop a combined storage capacity of 1,325 MW by the end of 2024. An extra 500 MW was added to the mandate in 2016.
- In Oregon, law HB 2193 mandates that 5 MWh of energy storage must be working in the grid by 2020.
- New Jersey passed A3723 in 2018 that sets New Jersey’s energy storage target at 2,000 MW by 2030.
- Arizona State Commissioner Andy Tobin has proposed a target of 3,000 MW in energy storage by 2030.
For the endnotes, please download the PDF version of this fact sheet .
Author: Alexandra Zablocki
Editors: Carol Werner, Amaury Laporte
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Don’t Neglect Round-Trip Efficiency and Cost of Charging When Considering Levelized Cost of Storage
The world is moving toward renewable sources for electricity generation in an attempt to reduce fossil-fuel reliance. But wind and solar can’t provide a consistent flow of power 24/7, and grid operators have realized that new electricity generation needs to be paired with storage to manage periods with no sun or wind.
The decreasing cost of lithium-ion batteries has made battery energy storage systems (BESS) more affordable; however, the cost of battery storage systems represents only 20%-25% of any project’s lifetime cost. Power equipment, land, site work, cabling, project design and management, grid integration, transportation, and other related up-front costs represent another 25%.
So, what makes up the other ~50%? Operations and maintenance, otherwise known as O&M, represent a few percentage points. O&M generally includes expenses associated with maintaining, repairing, and operating energy storage systems over their lifespan. The rest comes from the cost of electricity to charge the system, which is significantly affected by the system’s overall round-trip efficiency (RTE).
Why RTE and Cost of Energy Matter
Levelized cost of storage (LCOS) is a metric used to determine the cost per unit of energy discharged from an energy storage system. The calculation is usually expressed in dollars per megawatt hour (MWh) and includes initial costs plus operating costs divided by the energy discharged over the asset’s service life.
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There are dozens of potential variables that may be used to determine the true levelized cost of storage, and different vendors will add, omit, or adjust different ones to put their products in the best light. This is why it’s so important to understand the role of RTE and cost of energy in a storage system, because they often have the biggest impact. These are also components that vendors with low-RTE technologies will most often discount (or omit altogether).
Round-trip efficiency is a measure of the amount of energy put into a system compared to the amount dispatched, and is expressed as a percentage. A system with a high RTE (75%+) is able to dispatch most of the energy fed into it. A low RTE indicates that the system loses a considerable amount of energy, often to heat arising from irreversible side reactions or high internal cell resistance. Many long-duration energy storage systems have RTEs below 50%, creating a significant amount of energy waste.
For example, lithium-ion batteries generally have RTEs of 90%+. In contrast, lead-acid batteries have lower RTEs of around 70%, meaning that approximately 30% of charge energy is lost. RTEs for flow batteries can range from 50%–75%, while metal-air batteries could have RTEs as low as 40%.
If the electricity used to charge low-RTE batteries was free, efficiency might not matter much. But electricity always comes with a cost. Some might argue that during periods where supply exceeds demand, renewables could be used to charge batteries when they would otherwise be curtailed. There’s a logic to that, but curtailment periods can’t always be predicted.
Even if you’re using electricity that would otherwise be curtailed, you have to assign a monetary value. If a turbine is spinning or a solar panel is generating electricity and a battery system is storing that electricity, every component in the system is subject to normal wear and tear plus maintenance and replacement protocols—all of which have costs associated. Factors at play include:
Technology lifespan and degradation rate. An energy storage system’s service life is determined by technology and cycles. All energy storage systems deteriorate over time, making them less efficient at storing and discharging energy. The same goes for generation sources. From solar to wind to flow batteries to lithium-ion, the more the components are used, the shorter the lifespan and the sooner the need for repair, replacement or augmentation.
Maintenance costs. Solar panels, wind turbines, battery systems, transmission lines, and power equipment all have to be maintained. The more they’re used, the more often components need to be serviced or replaced.
Long-Duration Doesn’t Always Mean Lower LCOS
The latest buzzy term in the energy space is “long-duration energy storage,” or LDES for short. While there’s no single definition of what the term means, the term has generally come to describe a non-lithium storage technology that can provide energy for anywhere from 8 to 160 hours at a lower installed cost per MW than lithium-ion batteries or a standard natural gas turbine.
LDES isn’t confined to battery storage; non-battery technologies include compressed air, latent heat, flywheels, and more. In fact, pumped hydro currently accounts for the vast majority of all LDES capacity in the US, and will likely remain in that position for an extended time. Battery technologies being positioned for LDES use include flow batteries, zinc-based chemistries, metal air, nickel hydrogen, and more.
These technologies all work well and are generally safer than lithium-ion batteries, but they come with trade-offs. Many have high up-front costs and must be amortized over 30–40-year periods to be cost competitive. Some have very low energy densities, requiring significant amounts of land for installations above a few megawatt hours. Some are rate-limited and can’t discharge as quickly as needed for specific applications. Some have very restricted siting requirements. And maybe most importantly, many have RTEs below 60%, with a few at 40% or lower.
So, what does this all mean? The race is on to build a better storage system, and with no universal standard for calculating LCOS, every vendor is using a model that plays to the strength of their own technology. If you’re investigating a new storage technology, be sure to ask a few questions when LCOS numbers come up, such as:
How many years are they calculating when it comes to system life? Lithium-ion batteries usually have to be augmented or replaced somewhere between 10 and 15 years of use; vendors with low densities or high installed costs may calculate over 30–40 years to lower their LCOS while factoring in two or more replacement cycles for lithium-ion.
What are they using for the cost of electricity to charge the system, and how does that compare with your actual costs? Even if you’re only planning to charge the system during periods you’d normally be curtailing renewables, remember that there’s still a cost to running those systems. A system with a low RTE may end up having a much higher LCOS even when you’re paying very little for electricity.
Are they including the cost of land in their calculations? If you’re installing a storage facility in a rural area where land is cheap, this may not matter so much. But if you need to place storage in or near a high-cost-of-living area, cost of land (and availability) could be one of your primary concerns and should definitely play a role in the LCOS calculation.
Are they including installation tax credits (ITCs) or production tax credits (PTCs) in their calculations? If so, be sure that the numbers are correct for your projects, and that the same are being applied to any other technologies you’re evaluating.
— Mukesh Chatter is the CEO of Alsym Energy , a technology company developing a low-cost, high-performance rechargeable battery chemistry that is free of lithium and cobalt.
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THOUGHT LEADERSHIP
Batteries vs pumped hydro – are they sustainable, a sustainable grid needs sustainable energy sources. while there’s no doubt that it makes sense to store renewable energy, whether in batteries or in a pumped hydro scheme, just how sustainable are these technologies.
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As we move rapidly towards ever-greater levels of wind and solar power in the network, increasing quantities of storage are needed to smooth intermittency and ensure secure supply. Pumped hydro energy storage and batteries are likely to do much of the heavy lifting in storing renewable energy and dispatching it when power demand exceeds availability or when the price is right.
We’ve previously compared the two technologies in terms of their costs, the speed with which they can be deployed, and their ability to support the grid. Here we compare their sustainability in terms of storage efficiency and capacity, safety, use of scarce resources, and impacts through all stages of their lifecycle.
Storage efficiency and capacity
For both batteries and pumped hydro, some electricity is lost when charging and discharging the stored energy. The round-trip efficiency of both technologies is usually around 75% to 80%. This level of efficiency for either technology represents a significant displacement of non-renewable generation if we assume that the stored generation would not otherwise occur.
A particular consideration for batteries is degradation. Batteries degrade as they age, which decreases the amount they can store. The expected life of the batteries that will be used for the recently announced battery storage project in South Australia is about 15 years (depending on how the batteries are operated). By the end of that time, the capacity of the batteries is expected to have dropped to less than 70% of their original capacity.
To maintain a reliable and steady capacity for storage as batteries age and degrade, large-scale battery plants will require ongoing staged installation and replacement of batteries. In comparison, the degradation of pumped storage is close to zero. With appropriate maintenance, peak output can be sustained indefinitely.
No storage solution can be considered sustainable unless it is safe. The greatest risk relating to pumped storage is dam safety . If it occurs, dam failure can affect downstream communities and the environment, with its impact potential likely to be far greater than a battery safety incident. Nevertheless, pumped hydro technology is mature, dam risks are generally well understood and managed, and the frequency of dam safety events is low.
The main safety concern for batteries is thermal runaway leading to explosions and fires. The severity of this risk will depend on how a battery project is implemented. In a modular arrangement, thermal runaway would be localised, not affecting the whole bank. However, because of the very rapid deployment of evolving battery technologies, safety standards may not be rigorously enforced.
Impacts on land and water
Pumped hydro and grid-scale battery plants may have environmental and land-use impacts. These impacts would vary depending on the sensitivity of the site selected.
A grid-scale battery facility needs a relatively small parcel of land and is likely to be able to be created very close to the energy demand or where generation occurs. Land in these areas has often already been disturbed and the new operations may have little extra environmental impact. Land and water impacts of batteries relate more to their disposal at the end of their effective life, and to the extraction of the resources to produce new batteries.
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Pumped hydro requires a relatively larger parcel of land with a very particular topography, and may be far from the location of the demand. Any potential environmental impacts associated with construction and operation need to be considered and mitigated, including those immediately associated with the site, as well as downstream.
In most construction of new pumped hydro, sites are selected where impacts can be mitigated to acceptable levels, for example by using existing reservoirs, or locating ‘closed loop’ systems away from rivers. Although these arrangements will have lower overall impacts, some environmental challenges may still occur during construction when existing water is removed from the site as well as finding a source of water without impacting the environment and other users.
Environmental impacts during operation of pumped hydro are minimal. However, the ecology within the reservoirs will need to adapt to frequently changing water levels, reducing diversity in the system especially within fringing communities.
In all pumped hydro systems, water is re-used over and over again, extracting maximum value from the resource. Nevertheless, depending on the configuration of the pumped hydro project, there may be an ongoing demand for water to top up the storages to counter evaporation.
Minerals and materials
Batteries and pumped hydro require a range of different resources and materials. Lithium-ion batteries use common materials such as plastic and steel as well as chemicals and minerals such as lithium, graphite, nickel and cobalt. Although pumped hydro mainly relies on common building materials such as concrete and steel, the quantities of these materials and the construction impacts can be significant.
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Determining the ultimate sustainability of the required resources and materials for both technologies needs to take account of the full lifecycle and supply chain (mining, processing, refining and manufacturing) as well as end-of-life issues such as recycling, disposal or decommissioning.
Currently, the environmental and health impacts of mining are a significant sustainability concern for the battery industry, and impacts are likely to intensify as worldwide demand for the necessary minerals rapidly increases. Short-term availability of many of the necessary minerals for battery development, such as lithium, appears sufficient, yet security of supply could be compromised by geo-political factors, and long-term availability will depend on levels of demand.
Ultimately, the minerals used in lithium-ion batteries are finite resources, so limiting or reducing their extraction (for example, through greater recycling or substitution for another battery technology) would increase longer term sustainability.
End of life
A battery’s life depends on the technology and on frequency of charging and discharging. Once their effective life is up, the batteries must be disposed of and replaced. Disposal of batteries is a problem we’re yet to face, but as large-scale battery storage proliferates, increasing numbers of batteries will enter the global waste stream. Without careful management of disposal, what cannot be recycled may end up in landfill and may be corrosive, flammable, or could leach toxins into soil and water.
The development of cost-effective and efficient battery recycling methods is still in its infancy.
Although most of the components of batteries can be recycled to some extent, recycling is currently expensive and there is insufficient volume to encourage commercial enterprises to take on recycling the new generation of batteries. In time, improved recovery and re-use of materials will certainly increase the sustainability of battery storage, preserving virgin resources and reducing the impacts of extraction and processing.
End-of-life considerations for pumped hydro seem very distant right now due to hydropower’s longevity, but sustainable decommissioning still needs to be planned for, including managing the impacts on the downstream environment if a dam is removed and rehabilitating the reservoir area.
Lifecycle analysis
At this early stage of development of large-scale battery technology, comprehensive lifecycle analysis is limited by the diversity of battery materials and widely different scenarios of charging, battery life and recycling.
In contrast, the full lifecycle of pumped hydro is better understood due to the maturity of the technology. Pumped hydro is not without impacts, but the risks are known and generally manageable. A major advantage of pumped hydro over batteries is that the expected life of pumped hydro is more than 100 years, or effectively unlimited with appropriate maintenance.
Batteries may have a lower upfront cost than pumped hydro and be easier to approve and install; however, they are likely to require greater management over time. If a projection is made based on current information, the full lifecycle cost and impact of batteries may be greater than hydro across the long term, particularly when mining, recycling and disposal are taken into account. Yet, battery technology is likely to improve very rapidly, which would tighten the gap on pumped hydro’s current lifecycle advantage.
A greener grid
Worldwide, increased levels of renewable energy will lead to a greener grid. It is easy to recognise the sustainability benefits of using a storage solution such as pumped hydro or batteries to further enable the decarbonisation of the network through greater uptake of renewable energy. However, the storage solutions that enable more renewables must also be sustainable – not only in the use phase, but also upstream and downstream.
It is difficult to make a straightforward comparison of the sustainability credentials of pumped hydro and battery storage technologies at their very different stages of maturity. As battery technology is still evolving, its overall sustainability is still somewhat uncertain, but this will change with experience and improvements in battery life and recycling. Meanwhile, pumped hydro projects can last up to a century and associated risks are known and can be mitigated.
Either way, as we redevelop the electricity grid, we will also need a mature approach to lifecycle analysis of our storage solutions.
About the authors
Donald Vaughan is Entura’s Technical Director, Power. He has more than 25 years of experience providing advice on regulatory and technical requirements for generators, substations and transmission systems. Donald specialises in the performance of power systems. His experience with generating units, governors and excitation systems provides a helpful perspective on how the physical electrical network behaves and how it can support the transition to a high renewables environment.
Nick West is a civil engineer at Entura with 16 years of experience, primarily in hydraulics and hydropower. Nick’s skills range from the technical analysis of the layout of hydropower projects to the preparation of contractual project documents and computational hydraulic modelling. Nick was a key team member of the Kidston Pumped Storage Project Technical Feasibility Study .
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Round-trip efficiency is a key performance metric for energy storage systems, indicating the ratio of the energy output to the energy input over a complete cycle of charging and discharging. It is expressed as a percentage and provides insight into the energy losses that occur during the storage and retrieval processes. High round-trip efficiency is crucial for the economic and environmental viability of energy storage technologies, as it ensures that a greater proportion of the stored energy is available for use.
Design and Construction
The design and construction of energy storage systems significantly impact their round-trip efficiency. Key components and considerations include:
- Storage Medium : Different storage technologies, such as batteries, pumped hydro storage, and compressed air energy storage, have varying inherent efficiencies. The choice of storage medium affects the overall round-trip efficiency.
- Power Conversion Systems : Inverters and converters are used to manage the flow of energy between the storage system and the grid or load. The efficiency of these power electronic devices is crucial for minimizing energy losses.
- Thermal Management : Effective thermal management systems are essential for maintaining optimal operating temperatures and minimizing energy losses due to heat. This is particularly important for batteries and other storage systems sensitive to temperature variations.
- Control Systems : Advanced control systems optimize the charging and discharging processes, ensuring that the storage system operates within its most efficient parameters. This includes managing the state of charge and discharge rates to reduce losses.
- Infrastructure Design : The physical design and layout of the storage system, including the placement of components and the configuration of connections, can influence efficiency by minimizing resistive losses and other inefficiencies.
Functionality
Round-trip efficiency is determined by the ratio of energy output during discharge to the energy input during charge. The key functionalities impacting round-trip efficiency include:
- Charging Process : Energy is stored in the system by converting electrical energy into a storable form, such as chemical energy in batteries or gravitational potential energy in pumped hydro systems. Efficiency losses can occur due to resistance, conversion inefficiencies, and heat generation.
- Energy Storage : The stored energy may degrade over time due to self-discharge or leakage, particularly in batteries. Minimizing these losses is crucial for maintaining high round-trip efficiency.
- Discharging Process : Stored energy is converted back into electrical energy for use. Efficiency losses during discharge can arise from the same sources as during charging, including resistance, conversion inefficiencies, and heat generation.
- System Management : Efficient management of the state of charge, depth of discharge, and operating conditions can optimize round-trip efficiency. Control systems play a critical role in monitoring and adjusting these parameters in real time.
High round-trip efficiency in energy storage systems offers several significant advantages:
- Cost Savings : Higher efficiency means less energy is lost during storage and retrieval, reducing the overall cost of energy storage and making the system more economically viable.
- Environmental Benefits : Improved efficiency reduces the need for additional energy generation, lowering greenhouse gas emissions and environmental impact.
- Resource Optimization : Efficient energy storage maximizes the use of available resources, ensuring that a greater proportion of generated energy is utilized.
- Enhanced Performance : High-efficiency systems provide more reliable and consistent energy output, improving the performance and stability of the grid or other applications.
Limitations
Despite its importance, achieving high round-trip efficiency can be challenging due to several factors:
- Technology Limitations : Different storage technologies have inherent efficiency limits based on their design and materials. For example, chemical batteries typically have lower round-trip efficiencies compared to pumped hydro storage.
- Operational Constraints : Factors such as temperature, state of charge, and discharge rates can affect efficiency. Maintaining optimal conditions is necessary but can be difficult in real-world applications.
- Cost : High-efficiency components and advanced control systems can be expensive, increasing the initial investment required for efficient energy storage systems.
- Degradation : Over time, components such as batteries degrade, leading to reduced efficiency and increased energy losses.
Applications
Round-trip efficiency is a critical consideration in various energy storage applications, each benefiting from high efficiency:
- Grid Energy Storage : High-efficiency storage systems stabilize the grid, balance supply and demand, and support the integration of renewable energy sources by minimizing energy losses.
- Renewable Energy Integration : Efficient storage of renewable energy ensures that more of the generated energy is available for use, enhancing the reliability and viability of solar, wind, and other renewable sources.
- Residential and Commercial Storage : Homeowners and businesses benefit from reduced energy costs and increased energy independence with high-efficiency storage systems.
- Electric Vehicles (EVs) : High round-trip efficiency in EV batteries extends driving range and reduces charging frequency, improving overall vehicle performance and user experience.
- Industrial Applications : Efficient energy storage systems support industrial processes by providing reliable power, reducing energy costs, and enhancing operational efficiency.
Future Prospects
The future of round-trip efficiency in energy storage systems is promising, driven by ongoing advancements in technology, materials, and system design. Research focuses on developing more efficient storage media, improving power conversion technologies, and optimizing thermal and control systems. Innovations such as solid-state batteries, advanced flow batteries, and next-generation power electronics are expected to enhance round-trip efficiency. Policy and regulatory support, including incentives for high-efficiency energy storage systems and the development of standardized efficiency metrics, will play a crucial role in promoting the adoption of efficient storage solutions. Addressing challenges such as technology limitations, operational constraints, and cost will be key to ensuring the significant role of high round-trip efficiency in the future of sustainable and reliable energy systems.
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The 2022 ATB data for pumped storage hydropower (PSH) are shown above. ... Round-trip efficiency is also based on a literature review by (Mongird et al., 2020), who report a range of 70%-87% across several sources. The value of 80% is taken as a central estimate, ...
The round-trip efficiency of PSH varies between 70% and 80%. ... Variable speed operation further optimizes the round trip efficiency in pumped hydro storage plants. [5] [6] In micro-PSH applications, a group of pumps and Pump As Turbine (PAT) could be implemented respectively for pumping and generating phases. [7]
The efficiency of generation is about 90%. This means that 10% of the energy stored in an upper reservoir is lost when the water passes through the turbine to produce electricity. In a complete PHES cycle, water is pumped from a lower to an upper reservoir and at a later time returns to the lower reservoir, with a round-trip efficiency of about ...
2023 ATB data for pumped storage hydropower (PSH) are shown above. ... Round-trip efficiency is also based on a literature review by (Mongird et al., 2020), who report a range of 70%-87% across several sources. The value of 80% is taken as a central estimate, ...
The higher the round-trip efficiency, the less energy is lost in the storage process. According to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), in 2019, the U.S. utility-scale battery fleet operated with an average monthly round-trip efficiency of 82%, and pumped-storage facilities operated with an average monthly round-trip ...
The round trip efficiency is analyzed in underground pumped storage hydropower plants. •. The energy efficiency depends on the operation pressure in the underground reservoir. •. Analytical and numerical models have been developed to study the operation pressure. •. The efficiency decreases from 77.3% to 73.8% when the pressure reaches ...
Because of this high-conversion efficiency, the round-trip efficiency of pumped-hydro storage is 75 to 85 percent energy efficient, despite all of the friction and turbulence generated in moving water. Similarly, an efficient Brayton turbine can be used to pump heat between thermal reservoirs. In a case using two cold and two hot thermal ...
A novel underwater energy storage system is introduced and its round-trip efficiency is reported. • A validated analytical model is used to predict the performance of a scaled-up system. • Its performance is comparable to that of conventional pumped hydro systems. • New elements such as a flexible reservoir do not contribute to energy losses.
As of now, Pumped Hydropower Storage (PHS) and Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES) are commercially available enabling provision of large-scale grid storage. ... Round-trip efficiency (RTE) is taken here as the main performance metric, given as the ratio of the discharged work to the work required for charge. (1) RTE = W discharge W charge.
The "round-trip efficiency" is the product of the two. The round trip efficiency rates of pumping to storage to electricity generation are on par with above-ground pumped hydro at 70-85%. [1,3] However, the relatively low energy density of PHES systems requires either a very large body of water or a large variation in height which is what makes ...
Pumped-storage hydroelectric facilities in the U.S. operated with an average monthly round-trip efficiency of 79%, and the utility-scale battery fleet operated at 82%, according to 2019 data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). Round-trip efficiency is the percentage of electricity put into storage that is later retrieved.
GLIDES is a modular, scalable energy storage technology designed for a long life (>30 years), high round-trip efficiency (ratio of energy put in compared to energy retrieved from storage), and low cost. The technology works by pumping water from a reservoir into vessels that are prepressurized with air (or other gases).
Then use the heat pump in reverse as a heat engine to recover the heat and generate electricity. Cooling 15 tonnes of granite gravel down to -150°C and heating another 15 tonnes up to 500°C is sufficient to store 1MWh of electricity. Round trip efficiency of 72% to 80%.
2021 ATB data for pumped-storage hydropower (PSH) are shown above. ... Round-Trip Efficiency. RTE is also based on a literature review by (Mongird et al., 2020), who report a range of 70%-87% across several sources. The value of 80% is taken as a central estimate, and no improvements are projected due to technological maturity, so they are ...
Table 10.5 Round-Trip Efficiencies of Various Energy Storage Systems; Storage system Round-trip efficiency, % Lead-Acid battery: 75-90: Li-ion battery: 85-98: Pumped hydro storage: 70-80: Compressed air energy storage: 41-75: Flywheel: 80-90: Hydrogen: 34-44: Double layer capacitors: 85-98: Vanadium redox flow battery: 60-75
The round trip efficiency is analyzed in underground pumped storage hydropower plants. The energy efficiency depends on the operation pressure in the underground reservoir. Analytical and numerical models have been developed to study the operation pressure. The efficiency decreases from 77.3% to 73.8% when the pressure reaches −100 kPa.
The round trip efficiency for battery storage ranges from 85% to 95%, while the round trip efficiency for pumped hydro energy storage is typically around 80%. ... Batteries have a slightly higher efficiency, but pumped hydro energy storage is still a highly efficient technology. Cost. Currently, the cost of pumped hydro energy storage is around ...
Pumped-storage hydropower is more than 80 percent energy efficient through a full cycle, and PSH facilities can typically provide 10 hours of electricity, compared to about 6 hours for lithium-ion batteries. Despite these advantages, the challenge of PSH projects is that they are long-term investments: permitting and construction can take 3-5 ...
Round-trip efficiency is a measure of the amount of energy put into a system compared to the amount dispatched, and is expressed as a percentage. ... In fact, pumped hydro currently accounts for ...
Introducing pumped storage to retrofit existing cascade hydropower plants into hybrid pumped storage hydropower plants (HPSPs) could increase the regulating capacity of hydropower. From this perspective, a capacity configuration optimization method for a multi-energy complementary power generation system comprising hydro, wind, and photovoltaic power is developed. Firstly, to address the ...
Pumped-storage facilities can be very economical due to peak tand off-peak price differentials and their potential to provide critical ancillary grid services. Wikipedia make a similar claim: the round-trip energy efficiency of PSH varies in practice between 70% and 80%, with some claiming up to 87%. But they give references.
The round-trip energy efficiency of GES system is calculated by dividing the energy output (turbine mode) by the energy input (pumping mode). The round-trip efficiency ranges generally between 70 % and 80 %. It takes values inferior to 100 % due to the different losses occurring within the system.
Storage efficiency and capacity. For both batteries and pumped hydro, some electricity is lost when charging and discharging the stored energy. The round-trip efficiency of both technologies is usually around 75% to 80%. This level of efficiency for either technology represents a significant displacement of non-renewable generation if we assume ...
Round-trip efficiency is a key performance metric for energy storage systems, indicating the ratio of the energy output to the energy input over a complete cycle of charging and discharging. ... For example, chemical batteries typically have lower round-trip efficiencies compared to pumped hydro storage. Operational Constraints: Factors such as ...