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Atlantis cruise Telegram Channels
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Halloween San Diego to Mexico Cruise
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We’re taking Halloween to a whole new level in 2024 when Atlantis sails the sensational Koningsdam for a week of non-stop thrills and epic adventures. Sail from sunny San Diego to Mexico’s best beaches with 2500 guys from around the world on the perfect ship for our festival of entertainment and fun. With fares starting at just $849 it’s the best deal ever in all-gay vacations!
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San Diego, CA
Depart 4:00 pm
Awesome Day at Sea
Cabo San Lucas, Mexico
Arrive 12:00 pm - Depart 6:00 pm
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico
Arrive 11:00 am -
Depart 2:00 am
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Warm weather, fabulous beaches and one of the liveliest gay communities in the world, San Diego makes the perfect place to begin your trip. Check out great local restaurants and events before hopping onboard.
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Straddling the southernmost tip of Baja California, Cabo San Lucas is a sun-drenched paradise that offers exceptional scuba diving, snorkeling and world-class fishing. For those seeking a more mellow and relaxing time, Cabo offers some of the peninsula's best beaches where the desert meets the sea. Cabo San Lucas's other main attractions include an underwater nature preserve and the striking Land's End rock formations at one end of the bay.
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Puerto Vallarta has become Mexico’s favorite gay destination in recent years, attracting travelers with its mix of classic Mexican charm, casual atmosphere, beautiful beaches and fantastic year-round weather. Handicraft stores and art galleries line the streets of its quaint, cobblestone town center. At night, Vallarta’s many gay and gay-friendly restaurants, bars, and clubs offer everything from laid-back to the outrageous.
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Mazatlan is a historic capital as well as a beach resort and lively, romantic town. Returning travelers rave about the welcoming Mazatlecos as well as the beaches, the food, the weather, the music, and the feeling of never wanting to leave.
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After three days of on the beach, it’s time to indulge. Treat yourself to a spa day. Or hang by the pool with new friends. This day is all about relaxing. Until T-dance time, and our biggest evening party of the week!
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Relax. Connect. Play. Sleep in a bit, and join a few friends for brunch. Drop into the spa for a pampering treatment or refreshing workout. And wait until you see how we wrap things up for you with some of the finest entertainment at sea.
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Return to San Diego and spend a day or two wrapping up your trip with a visit to some of the beaches, scenic boardwalks and an array of diverse, multicultural neighborhoods.
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Remember the carefree joys of dancing with friends, exploring a new place, reveling in a new adventure, and dressing up, down or silly? That’s what Atlantis is all about with a mix of dazzling thrills and zany fun. You’re invited to a week of pure excitement where superstar talent takes center stage, world-class DJs inspire, parties sizzle into the morning, and we all get to see the world again.
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Mexico’s Best Beaches.
Explore the Pacific’s most alluring beaches and cities, including a late-night stay in gay-friendly Puerto Vallarta with plenty of time to enjoy the city’s incomparable nightlife and beach culture. Dive, fish, or snorkel in beautiful Cabo San Lucas, or explore to a nearby uninhabited beach. Discover the best of authentic Mexico in the charming city of Mazatlan, a remarkable beachfront metropolis.
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A New Place to Play
Get onboard the newest and most advanced ship in the West where options abound and a new adventure awaits at every moment. We’re thrilled to sail Holland America’s fabulous Koningsdam from convenient San Diego. Her massive pool deck is perfect for our tea-dances and evening parties, with a 3-story high magradome cover making our parties work indoors and out.
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Endless Fun. All Day Long.
Find your place in the sun during three fabulously entertaining days at sea. From our daytime pool games to festive afternoon t-dances, you’ll always be tempted to join in. Take in our afternoon drag Bingo, indulge in a long brunch with friends, play a game of volleyball, or find a quiet deck chair by one of Koningsdam’s two sparking pools. When you’re ready to really relax, the spa features every imaginable treatment along with one of the largest and most complete fitness centers at sea.
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Dazzling Shows
Our white-hot entertainment lineup features a mix of fresh and familiar Atlantis performers including our own stellar gay circus show, Miss Richfield 1981, La Voix, and so much more. We’ll even invite a special guest or two from Broadway, TV, or beyond. Past years have featured Olivia Newton-John, Billy Porter, Patti LuPone, Idina Menzel, Kathy Griffin, Jennifer Hudson, Vanessa Williams, Erasure, Cynthia Erivo, Calum Scott and so many others. Who knows who might show up this year?
On deck we’ll blow you away with a superstar electronic music show and a few surprises. We’ve brought our community exclusive concerts by Above & Beyond, Galantis, Markus Schultz, Gareth Emery, Cosmic Gate, and more!
And that’s just the beginning! Koningsdam offers several intimate spaces to showcase top gay comedians, fabulously outrageous drag queens, Atlantis musical stars, and more from our community. Get ready to experience the largest festival of gay entertainers on the planet!
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Dance. Dance. Dance!
Nothing compares to dancing under the stars or afternoon sun on the wide-open top decks of a cruise ship, and Koningsdam offers the perfect space. A 3-story magradome transforms this amazing pool deck into our biggest indoor space too! An incredible and diverse set of spectacular parties will rise up from this remarkable space, featuring concert sound, eye-popping lights, dazzling lasers, mesmerizing video, and the friendliest crowd on land or sea. The world’s top gay DJs headline our signature themes with wide-ranging musical styles, designed to fit everyone’s taste.
Over 30 years Atlantis DJs have curated an original upbeat repertoire that blends todays’ hottest tracks with musical tributes to Classic Disco, 80s retro, great divas from the 90s, and more. It’s always uplifting, packed with a variety of sounds at every party. Regardless of your taste in music, or temperament for a party, we will blow your mind.
Of course, any Atlantis event will be planned with your safety first and we will adjust our programming in accordance with the highest standards. Our track record is impeccable and we’ve shown the world how to host large dance events!
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The Ultimate Halloween Celebration
And while our theme parties are legendary, nothing compares to our all-day and night Halloween extravaganza with a series of parties and events to inspire, delight, and amaze. We’re putting the fun back into a Halloween that just doesn’t exist anywhere else! Costumes welcome of course.
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We’re fighting inflation in our own special way with insanely low fares throughout. Our low introductory fares start at just $849, but don’t delay as space is limited. Get onboard the ultimate Halloween celebration today!
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Moscow comes under largest Ukrainian drone attack yet but destroys them all, Russian authorities say
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MOSCOW (AP) — Russian authorities said Wednesday that Moscow came under the largest attack yet by Ukrainian drones since the start of fighting in 2022, and that it destroyed all of them.
Russia destroyed 45 Ukrainian drones overnight, Russia’s Ministry of Defense said. It said 11 were destroyed over the Moscow region, 23 over the Bryansk region, six over Belgorod, three over Kaluga and two over Kursk.
“This was one of the biggest attempts of all time to attack Moscow using drones,” Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin said on his Telegram channel. He said all of the drones were destroyed because strong defenses have been created around the capital. Some Russian social media channels shared videos of drones apparently being destroyed by air defense systems, which then set car alarms off.
Alexander Bogomaz, the governor of the Bryansk region, said there was a “mass” attack on his region but that 23 drones were destroyed.
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Biden Approved Secret Nuclear Strategy Refocusing on Chinese Threat
In a classified document approved in March, the president ordered U.S. forces to prepare for possible coordinated nuclear confrontations with Russia, China and North Korea.
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David E. Sanger has written about American nuclear strategy for The New York Times for nearly four decades.
President Biden approved in March a highly classified nuclear strategic plan for the United States that, for the first time, reorients America’s deterrent strategy to focus on China’s rapid expansion in its nuclear arsenal.
The shift comes as the Pentagon believes China’s stockpiles will rival the size and diversity of the United States’ and Russia’s over the next decade.
The White House never announced that Mr. Biden had approved the revised strategy, called the “Nuclear Employment Guidance,” which also newly seeks to prepare the United States for possible coordinated nuclear challenges from China, Russia and North Korea. The document, updated every four years or so, is so highly classified that there are no electronic copies, only a small number of hard copies distributed to a few national security officials and Pentagon commanders.
But in recent speeches, two senior administration officials were allowed to allude to the change — in carefully constrained, single sentences — ahead of a more detailed, unclassified notification to Congress expected before Mr. Biden leaves office.
“The president recently issued updated nuclear-weapons employment guidance to account for multiple nuclear-armed adversaries,” Vipin Narang, an M.I.T. nuclear strategist who served in the Pentagon, said earlier this month before returning to academia. “And in particular,” he added, the weapons guidance accounted for “the significant increase in the size and diversity” of China’s nuclear arsenal.
In June, the National Security Council’s senior director for arms control and nonproliferation, Pranay Vaddi, also referred to the document , the first to examine in detail whether the United States is prepared to respond to nuclear crises that break out simultaneously or sequentially, with a combination of nuclear and nonnuclear weapons.
The new strategy, Mr. Vaddi said, emphasizes “the need to deter Russia, the PRC and North Korea simultaneously,” using the acronym for the People’s Republic of China.
In the past, the likelihood that American adversaries could coordinate nuclear threats to outmaneuver the American nuclear arsenal seemed remote. But the emerging partnership between Russia and China, and the conventional arms North Korea and Iran are providing to Russia for the war in Ukraine have fundamentally changed Washington’s thinking.
Already, Russia and China are conducting military exercises together . Intelligence agencies are trying to determine whether Russia is aiding the North Korean and Iranian missile programs in return .
The new document is a stark reminder that whoever is sworn in next Jan. 20 will confront a changed and far more volatile nuclear landscape than the one that existed just three years ago. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has repeatedly threatened the use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine, including during a crisis in October 2022, when Mr. Biden and his aides, looking at intercepts of conversations between senior Russian commanders, feared the likelihood of nuclear use might rise to 50 percent or even higher.
Mr. Biden, along with leaders of Germany and Britain, got China and India to make public statements that there was no role for the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine, and the crisis abated, at least temporarily.
“It was an important moment,” Richard N. Haass, a former senior State Department and National Security Council official for several Republican presidents, and the president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, noted in an interview. “We are dealing with a Russia that is radicalized; the idea that nukes wouldn’t be used in a conventional conflict is not longer a safe assumption.”
The second big change arises from China’s nuclear ambitions. The country’s nuclear expansion is running at an even faster pace than American intelligence officials anticipated two years ago, driven by President Xi Jinping’s determination to scrap the decades-long strategy of maintaining a “minimum deterrent” to reach or exceed the size of Washington’s and Moscow’s arsenals. China’s nuclear complex is now the fastest growing in the world.
Although former President Donald J. Trump confidently predicted that Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, would surrender his nuclear weapons after their three in-person meetings, the opposite happened. Mr. Kim has doubled down, and now has more than 60 weapons, officials estimate, and the fuel for many more.
That expansion has changed the nature of the North Korean challenge: When the country possessed just a handful of weapons, it could be deterred by missile defenses. But its expanded arsenal is fast approaching the size of Pakistan’s and Israel’s, and it is large enough that it could, in theory, coordinate threats with Moscow and Beijing.
It was only a matter of time before a fundamentally different nuclear environment began to alter American war plans and strategy, officials say.
“It is our responsibility to see the world as it is, not as we hoped or wished it would be,” Mr. Narang said as he was leaving the Pentagon. “It is possible that we will one day look back and see the quarter-century after the Cold War as nuclear intermission.”
The new challenge is “the real possibility of collaboration and even collusion between our nuclear-armed adversaries,” he said.
So far in the presidential campaign, the new challenges to American nuclear strategy have not been a topic of debate. Mr. Biden, who spent much of his political career as an advocate of nuclear nonproliferation, has never publicly talked in any detail about how he is responding to the challenges of deterring China’s and North Korea’s expanded forces. Nor has Vice President Kamala Harris, now the Democratic Party’s nominee.
At his last news conference in July , just days before he announced he would no longer seek the Democratic nomination for a second term, Mr. Biden acknowledged that he had adopted a policy of seeking ways to interfere in the broader China-Russia partnership.
“Yes, I do, but I’m not prepared to talk about the detail of it in public,” Mr. Biden said. He made no reference to — and was not asked about — how that partnership was altering American nuclear strategy.
Since Harry Truman’s presidency, that strategy has been overwhelmingly focused on the Kremlin’s arsenal. Mr. Biden’s new guidance suggests how quickly that is shifting.
China was mentioned in the last nuclear guidance, issued at the end of the Trump administration, according to an unclassified account provided to Congress in 2020. But that was before the scope of Mr. Xi’s ambitions was understood.
The Biden strategy sharpens that focus to reflect the Pentagon’s estimates that China’s nuclear force would expand to 1,000 by 2030 and 1,500 by 2035, roughly the numbers that the United States and Russia now deploy. In fact, Beijing now appears ahead of that schedule, officials say, and has begun loading nuclear missiles into new silo fields that were spotted by commercial satellites three years ago.
There is another concern about Beijing: It has now halted a short-lived conversation with the United States about improving nuclear safety and security — for example, by agreeing to warn each other of impending missile tests, or setting up hotlines or other means of communication to assure that incidents or accidents do not escalate into nuclear encounters.
One discussion between the two countries took place late last fall, just before Mr. Biden and Mr. Xi met in California , where they sought to repair relations between the two countries. They referred to those talks in a joint statement, but by that time the Chinese had already hinted they were not interested in further discussions, and earlier this summer said the conversations were over. They cited American arms sales to Taiwan, which were underway long before the nuclear safety conversations began.
Mallory Stewart, the assistant secretary for arms control, deterrence and stability at the State Department, said in an interview that the Chinese government was “actively preventing us from having conversations about the risks.”
Instead, she said, Beijing “seems to be taking a page out of Russia’s playbook that, until we address tensions and challenges in our bilateral relationship, they will choose not to continue our arms control, risk reduction and nonproliferation conversations.”
It was in China’s interest, she argued, “to prevent these risks of miscalculation and misunderstanding.”
David E. Sanger covers the Biden administration and national security. He has been a Times journalist for more than four decades and has written several books on challenges to American national security. More about David E. Sanger
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Ukraine's drone attack on Moscow 'one of largest ever,' mayor says
Ukraine launched one of the largest ever drone attacks on Moscow on Wednesday, the city's mayor said, with Russian air defense units destroying at least 11 drones flying toward the capital.
"The air defense systems of the Defense Ministry continue to repel enemy UAV (unmanned aerial vehicles) attacks," Sobyanin wrote on the Telegram messaging app at 4:43 a.m. "This is one of the largest attempts to attack Moscow using drones ever. We continue to monitor the situation."
Sobyanin said that according to preliminary information, there were no injuries or damage in the aftermath of the attacks.
Ukraine has often launched one or two drones targeting Moscow in recent months, causing no substantial damage.
The Wednesday attack, however, seems larger than May 2023 attack, when at least eight drones were destroyed over the capital in an attack Russian President Vladimir Putin said was Kyiv's attempt to scare and provoke Russia.
Russian officials rarely disclose the full size of the attacks, reporting only drones that its air defense units destroy.
Both Ukraine and Russia also rarely disclose the full extent of the damage their attacks inflict, unless residential or civilian infrastructure is damaged, or civilians die.
The Wednesday attack on Moscow was part of a broader Ukraine drone attack on Russia, with the Russian Defense Ministry saying its air defense units also destroyed 23 drones over the border region of Bryansk.
Six drones were destroyed over Belgorod, another Russian region on border with Ukraine, three over the Kaluga region, which borders the Moscow region to its northeast, and two over the embattled Kursk region, the ministry said.
There were no casualties or damage reported in the aftermath of the attack on the border Bryansk region in Russia's southwest, Alexander Bogomaz, the governor of the region, wrote on Telegram.
Russia's RIA state news agency reported also that two drones were destroyed over the Tula region, which borders the Moscow region to its north.
Separately, Vasily Golubev, governor of the Rostov region in Russia's southwest, said that air defense forces destroyed a Ukraine-launched missile over the region, with no injuries reported.
The reports could not be independently verified. There was no immediate comment from Ukraine.
In recent months, Kyiv has stepped up its air attacks on Russian territory, saying its aim is to destroy infrastructure key to Moscow's war efforts. It also says that its attacks are in response to Russia's continued strikes on Ukrainian territory.
The attacks came after Putin and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov on Tuesday inspected Chechen troops and volunteers readying to fight Ukraine, the Kremlin said, in what was Putin's first trip in 13 years to the North Caucasus republic.
The previously unannounced trip to the mostly Muslim republic that is part of Russia comes as Moscow fights to push Ukrainian forces out of its Kursk region two weeks after they smashed through the border, in the largest invasion of Russia since World War II.
"As long as we have men like you, we are absolutely, absolutely invincible," Putin told troops at the Russian Special Forces University, a training school in Chechnya's Gudermes, according to a transcript on the Kremlin's website.
"It is one thing to shoot at a shooting range here, and another thing to put your life and health at risk. But you have an inner need to defend the Fatherland and the courage to make such a decision."
The foreign occupation of Russian land has been an embarrassment for Putin and his army, even as Russian forces continue their gradual but steady advances on the front line in eastern Ukraine.
Kadyrov, sanctioned by the United States in 2020 and in 2022 for alleged human rights abuses and mobilizing Chechen troops to fight Ukraine, told Putin at a separate meeting on Tuesday that Chechnya had sent more than 47,000 troops since the start of the war to fight Ukraine, including about 19,000 volunteers.
Kadyrov has often described himself as Putin's "foot soldier." When asked by a journalist whether "Putin's foot soldiers" like Kadyrov justify his trust, Putin said, "If I had more of these foot soldiers, I would be very happy, but even one such foot soldier is worth a lot," reported the RIA agency.
Before heading to Chechnya, Putin visited for the first time in at least 16 years the town of Beslan in North Ossetia. The 2004 school siege by Islamic militants there left more than 330 dead in what has been the bloodiest incident of its kind in modern Russian history.
Among those killed were 136 children, Putin said at a meeting in Beslan with the mothers of the children killed in the attack.
"This tragedy will remain an unhealed wound in the historical memory of all of Russia," Putin said, according to the transcript published on the Kremlin's website.
But he also added that Russia continues to face enemies that try to destabilize the country.
"And just as we fought terrorists, today we have to fight those who commit crimes in the Kursk region, in Donbas," Putin said, referring to Ukraine's surprise incursion into the Russian territory and the broader Donbas region in Ukraine's southeast, which Russian forces partially control.
"We will punish the criminals. There can be no doubt about this."
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Port of Palm Beach August Democratic primary: What candidates say about cruise expansion
Editor's note: Because of a reporting error, an earlier version of this story incorrectly named the Republican candidate vying for the Port of Palm Beach's Group 2 seat. Ted Sarandis will face the winner of the Democratic primary in November. Roderick Clarke is the Republican running for the Group 3 seat .
One candidate in the Aug. 20 Democratic Port of Palm Beach primary race has articulated her vision to attract more cruise lines, bigger ships and thousands more passengers. Kelly Fleury says he, too, supports enlarging the port’s berth, but he did not have an idea of how much it would cost. Jeffery Jackson has said nothing on the issue.
The port collected about $8.9 million in fees from Margaritaville and passenger parking in 2023, accounting for more than one-third of nearly $25 million in revenue. It was the No. 1 source of income for the port last year.
Democratic incumbent Varisa Lall Dass, seeking a full term as port commissioner, wants the publicly run, 165-acre port to partner with developers to build a waterfront hotel and possibly condominiums at the Riviera Beach facility. In exchange, she says, developers would help pay the tens of millions of dollars it would cost to expand the port to hold larger ships, more parking and more cruise passengers.
Fleury, a pastor, and retired Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Capt. Jackson have not detailed plans for cruise line expansion. The winner will face Republican Ted Sarandis, who has no opponents in the GOP primary, in the general election on Nov. 5.
Florida is a closed primary meaning only voters registered as Democrats can vote in this primary.
Relevant: Port of Palm Beach is booming thanks to a windfall from Margaritaville at Sea cruise line
The port is one of the larger employers in Palm Beach County with more than 3,500 workers. It contributes an estimated $260 million in business revenue. More than $14 billion worth of commodities move through it.
The Jimmy Buffett-themed Margaritaville at Sea is the only cruise line serving the port, along with industrial companies such as Cemex, Tropical Shipping and Florida Sugar & Molasses Exchange. But it wasn’t until recently that the cruise line became by far the port’s biggest source of income.
About 400,000 passengers take cruises each year, the port’s website says. That figure could reach 2 million if the port's berth is lengthened to accommodate 860-foot vessels, a port analysis published last year said.
“I personally have thought we should be a cruise port,” Dass said.
“We’re always going to have cement” and other cargo, Dass said, “but I do think there is the potential for our port to become a cruise destination location for luxury, moderate-sized vessels.”
To bring more and bigger ships — cruise or cargo — Dass says the port needs a bigger berth for them, a parking garage and a bigger passenger terminal and baggage area where people wait when they board or leave a cruise ship.
That would cost about $80 million altogether, Dass said. That estimate comes from analysis and conversations with port Executive Director Michael Meekins, she said. Hotel and condo developers hoping to build at the port would help foot that bill, she said.
“If I win, we’re getting that hotel built and getting at least another cruise ship in the next year,” Dass said, adding that the issue would be voted on if she’s elected, but would lack majority support if she loses. “If I lose, the port will stagnate and deteriorate,” she said.
Where do Fleury and Jackson stand on cruise line expansion?
Fleury also would make cruise line expansion a priority.
"As soon as I get elected, I will bring this to the rest of the commission," he said. Fleury says he has been calling cruise lines about signing up with the port, but did not detail specifics of those conversations. Fleury has not held elected office in Palm Beach County.
Fleury said that, as commissioner, he would bring more business to the port through his connections to Haiti. He was a political adviser, he said, to the late Haitian president Jovenel Moïse, who was assassinated in 2021.
Jackson touts his tenure at the Riviera Beach Housing Authority as chairman since 2014 in response in July to questions from The Palm Beach Post editorial board. He did not respond to requests from The Post for an interview.
Jackson's stated goals included increasing "security at the port and surrounding areas" and "community and collaboration with tenants and cities within the port district" along with improving "technology and aging infrastructure" and employee benefits and wages. Jackson did not mention cruises in his responses.
"Voters should choose me for office because I possess the skills, experience and vision to propel us forward swiftly while enhancing business opportunities for stakeholders and improving the quality of life for all citizens of Palm Beach County," he said.
Jackson is a board member of the Riviera Beach Community Development Corporation, created by the city's Community Redevelopment Agency, whose mission is to acquire, rehabilitate and "operate" housing for "families of modest means and/or the elderly," the nonprofit's website says.
Port commissioners appointed Dass in January 2023 to fill the term of Katherine Waldron, who had been elected to the Florida House.
Dass has raised $40,680 so far. That includes $5,000 of her own money, and a $1,000 each from companies such as Cemex, South Florida Materials and Ranger Construction.
Fleury’s campaign has raised $73,811, which includes nearly $36,000 of his own money. Haitian-run businesses are also supporting him, including Lake Worth Beach-based Emmanuel Funeral Home ($4,600) and Shekinah Family Medical Center ($7,000).
Jackson’s campaign has raised $10,850. That includes $3,150 of his own money, along with $1,000 each from Orlando-based PSA Constructors and the political arm of the local police union, Palm Beach County PBA Justice Political Action Committee.
The Port of Palm Beach’s district stretches from the coast of West Palm Beach and Riviera Beach on its east end to the Glades and Lake Okeechobee on its west, running mostly along Southern Boulevard. It covers municipalities and communities such as Welington, Royal Palm Beach, Loxahatchee and Century Village.
The port can tax residents in its district but does not. No candidate publicly supports levying a tax.
Dass' campaign website is VoteVarisa.com . Her campaign's Facebook page is Facebook.com/VarisaDassForPort .
Fleury's campaign Facebook page is Facebook.com/p/Kelly-Fleury-for-Port-Commission-Seat-2-61553090926404 .
Jackson's campaign website is JacksonForPort.com .
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Atlantis Med cruise........from hell!
By Oslo Dutch , September 16, 2005 in LGBTQIA+ Cruisers
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Last week I returned from the Brilliance of the Seas Atlantis Gay Charter in the Med. It has been a very ugly experience. This might be not due to the actual Atlantis product but the combination of some very unhappy events.
The three weeks before the cruise were very hard as back in the Netherlands I nursed my father together with my family. He passed away on August 26th and the cremation took place on August 30th. It was a very hard time for all of us but I can look back to it with great spiritual satisfaction how we took care of him and made him a happy man on his deathbed. He was so happy to have his family committed and in peace around him.
The opposite I can say about this Atlantis cruise I joined on September 1rst in Villefranche, France. Initially I was booked for the Mexican Riviera cruise in October. As my father’s health deteriorated so fast this year I decided to change it to the Med one in September to be closer to home in case of emergency. Initially I was going alone but found a buddy on Gaydar from the UK. He was at first sight, a very nice, 51 year old guy from the UK. We met for the first time in the beginning of July. Something which resulted in romance and we started dating. So it looked all very promising indeed.
The Brilliance is very nice, well designed and a good looking ship. A bit soulless and it hasn’t got the class like Oriana (no teakwood decks etc). Dinner, food and service were very good and above expectations. The dining room has got a lot of big tables but has got terrible acoustics. Especially downstairs in the corners it’s very hard to understand your tablemates.
We tried once to have breakfast in the dining room. It was not a success, they tried to push you once again to a buffet (why in the dining room?) and it was very obvious they actually wanted you to have breakfast upstairs in the buffet area. And the waiter was downright rude! After this we never returned for breakfast and lunch there.
The buffets are very good and very well organized. But I found it a bit boring after a few days. They also have an Italian café on the top deck for pizza’s and pasta dishes which was very nice for lunch. Atlantis has got open seating for dinner. So you can walk in whenever you like. The negative side is you end up with different people every night and one dimensional stupid conversation. However we managed to meet other non US guys who became out table mates every evening.
One night we had dinner at Portofino’s, which was absolutely superb.
We had booked an inside cabin forward on deck 8. Also very nice and the cabin steward did a good job. I have a feeling RCCL has skeleton staff as turn down service took place around 4 pm.
Personally I think RCCL is financially really taking the mickey out of their passengers. At Civitavecheia they sold tickets for the shuttle bus service while the port authorities offered free one. I heard about guys who where lured into far more expensive treatments in the Spa than they had asked for. At parties when you bought drinks at the bar the 15 percent gratuity was still added (very unusual for us Europeans) and they had a tendency to sell you bigger and more expensive drinks than you asked for. There was a lot of nickel and dimming everywhere. My final onboard bill has been already converted to Norwegian Kroner at their rate. Not the better credit card rate I would normally get
Atlantis is now actively targeting the circuit party market. And it showed. There were lots of parties, and lots of people on drugs. Which resulted in lots of one dimensional, one brain celled, bad mannered, muscle Mary party boys. At night there was lots of sex over the place. I saw people who were running naked around the corridors. People were having sex in the pools and Jacuzzi, (so RCCL staff was not being able to start cleaning). The cabin next door was a bit of an orgy room with people running in and out all night. One night I was on the toilet and in the cubicle next to me a lot of snorting illegal substances took place. I did not find the atmosphere very friendly. And ffter a while it felt like being kept in a Gay Pride Prison. This is not a cruise to go solo. Throughout the cruise I still saw lots of single people by themselves. As somebody told me afterwards at Barcelona Airport, there were a lot of lonely people around.
But Atlantis does have their act together and things on board were very well organized. It is a very American product and we as Europeans felt sometimes a bit overwhelmed by it.
The shows were the best I have seen on any cruise ship. Once again a very American experience where the public oooh’d and aaah’d over Broadway and showbiz names we have never heard of. Special guest star was Debbie Gibson who gave a great show. They did have Topping and Butch in the Colony Club from the Edinburgh Festival. They were very funny and entertaining.
So I arrived on board in a rather run down state. Would I have gone solo, I would have cancelled but because of my now ex lover I decided to go. I went for him and wanted to be with him. He only came out only 3 years ago after having been married for over 25 years. Well, this cruise turned him into an unreliable untrustworthy alcoholic who left me for 3 nights alone in the cabin while partying, drinking or doing whatever around the ship. I have been looking several times for him in the middle of the night but could never find him.
During the last white party I became very unwell and had to go back to my cabin. He never bothered checking how I was doing and I found him around 9 am the next morning upstairs still dressed in white at the buffet. So this guy turned the whole thing into one big nightmare. And that within one week after my father’s funeral I had hoped for to be looked after a little bit. The pain and agony I went through were enormous. So this was surely a cruise from hell! Normally I always get very relaxed and rested on a cruise. This one completely wore me out and left me on the brink of a nervous breakdown.
So first I cancelled the Millennium sailing in March. From what I have been told the Caribbean sailings are apparently even more nasty circuit party than this one. After this I discovered I really don’t need gay men to be on a cruise ship. At one stage I kept longing for the civilized old ladies having tea in the Queens Room on the QE2.
I can imagine why people like Atlantis but this is simply not my cup of tea. I surely wasn’t in the right frame of mind for it and should not have gone in the first place. But I do understand it serves a purpose for especially people who are not out.
So on to a good cruise next time!
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Awww, Reindt - I'm so sorry you had such a terrible time:( . I've been in similar circumstances and know how low it can make you feel - like everything is going against you.
Hopefully, any built-up bad karma has been vanquished and you have nothing but good karma coming your way. Wish I was going on a cruise soon that I could invite you on (I don't think you'd be interested in a Thule military reunion cruise on Carnival Valor :eek: next February? ). Or maybe you could come to Georgia later next year and visit once I get settled into my new place at Lumberjack's Campground.;)
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I'm very sorry to hear about your loss just prior to embarking on the first ever Altantis cruise you experienced. I've sailed four Atlantis vacations myself and have taken a year off from them and gone back to hetero cruising. I had a blast and met some quality people on the Med cruises, which shocks me that your experience was the exact opposite.
I'm not going to lie though, there are drugs on EVERY Atlantis cruise. I'm surprised by the amount of usage on the Med cruise though, I vowed after the Caribbean cruise that I wouldn't sail one of those again because over half the boat seemed tweaked on some drug. I watched a drug purchase by one of Atlantis's guest stars on one of the cruises, not going to give specifics but I was appalled, it happened right on the pool deck! I was shocked myself but I suppose it's part of the community and if you're sailing with that many you'll see it there too - still doesn't make it acceptable though.
I'm shocked and saddened that Atlantis' European product has declined that much. I was looking forward to doing a European cruise with them in the future...
Sorry to hear you had such a bad time... cheers to the ladies in the tea room! I'm sailing Princess myself in a few weeks and I absolutely cannot wait. The straight folk appear to want to have a fun time so I'm sure it'll be good! :)
P.S. I also hated the Royal Caribbean ship and service they had chartered back for the first European cruise, definitely a cheap cruise product than their sister line Celebrity.
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I had found RSVP to be a better charter than Atlantis in terms of the circuit party atmosphere. Unfortunately drugs are everywhere, but there seemed to have been less of that environment on the RSVP cruises I have been on, although it's been a few years now. I hope that hasn't changed as I have 2 RSVP cruises booked for next year. Has anyone been on RSVP recently that can attest to that? Or was the OP's experience not representative of most Atlantis charters?
Oslo, sorry for your loss. Perhaps you should try a non-gay cruise sometime. I would never do an RSVP or Atlantis cruise. Gay cruises appear to be way over-priced. Nor do they offer traditional dining (same people, same table) which is great for solo cruisers. I've never felt out of place and usually meet other like- minded gay people on board.
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So sorry for your loss and your miserable cruise! One more nail in the coffin for Atlantis cruises for us normal guys!
Having just returned from the RSVP Alaska cruise aboard the fabulous Oosterdam , I again found the atmosphere elegant (it's Holland America , after all...) the crew and staff warm, outgoing and eager to please, and the clientelle diverse and friendly.
Over and over again we heard from the cruise staff that they wished that they had RSVP aboard more often!
Although RSVP allows open seatings, the times and general locations (Upper/Lower Dining Room) are set so that it makes finding a table much easier - and one can always do as we did and reserve a table for the entire week.
I'll post a more in-depth review this weekend, but I certainly hope that anyone who doesn't appreciate the circuit-party/drug atmosphere of Atlantis will consider sailing w/ RSVP.
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After 16 gay cruises, I think of learned one can see what they want to see. At any given time during a nighttime party, usually a third or so of passengers participate. Leaving two thirds elsewhere. I generally tell friends who think nighttime on Atlantis means 'only' the dance party to walk around the ship and see what else is going on. On the 8/04 Med, there was piano bar, ballroom dancing and several other 'non-circuit-y' things going during an on deck dance party. Just because dance parties happen, doesn't mean attendance is compulsory. Before I saw the light, straight cruises had there fair share of 'too much party', albeit more likely booze and valium induced - worse yet -- bad calypso music.
Honestly, the wildest thing I saw on the 8/04 Med was a hot naked guy running down the hall for 10 Euro. (The best money I ever spent - jk)
So my best advice, if anyone does a gay cruise -- Atlantis or RSVP -- is to check out alternative activities if anything seems to be too much.
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I'm sorry to hear that you have had such a rough time of it lately. I hope brighter, happier days are ahead for you.
Admittedly the Atlantis product is not for everyone but I get the impression that unfortunately you were in a place that no cruise could have cured. Several of the things you mention either a) Atlantis or RCI have no control over, or b) were known going in and you just didn't care for them.
The ship didn't have teak floors. (ok, knew about going in)
Didn't care for open seating. (knew about going in)
American's applauded entertainers you didn't know. (ok, so?)
Services tried to upsell/gratuity on drinks. (that's business)
Sex and drugs. (known reality in large groups of gay men)
Felt overwhelemed by American product. (ok, that's fine)
New friend of 45 days flaked on you. (welcome to life)
Please don't take any of this personally. I am trying to illustrate LVMediaboys glass half full/empty comment. And maybe not doing it well.
Atlantis didn't work for you this time and that is fine. But I do think you owe gay cruising a second shot sometime. I'm sorry to hear you have cancelled the March cruise. I have seen you on several boards and was actually hoping we could meet someday.
And RSVP guys, I mean no disrepect but please stop saying RSVP is so much more wholesome. Sex and drugs happen anytime you assemble 2000+ G/L folks for a vacation. (ok, now I'm gonna get it)
-Chris in DC
LVMediaboy - I wholeheartedly agree with your comments as well. There are plenty of other things to do onboard as I learned during the January 04 Caribbean cruise when the circuit parties up on deck were just way out of control... discovered Matt Yee in the piano bar... awesome guy!! There are alternative things to do, not as highly advertised as the deck parties but there are things... one just has to make the experience the best for themselves as possible. To place that on Atlantis or the cruise line to know what works for each person would be insane... they try to appease everyone with a generic product and hope it goes well... for some that's not enough though... :cool:
Chris in DC - Yikes! :eek: You raised valid points about the review of the cruise with life and business. The comment about the gratuities, it's customary on all vessels to do that. As for the waiters charging for higher premium drinks, one can only imagine that they're using our gay dollars to help them through all their new builds including the gigantic Freedom of the Seas and the new propulsion problem on another one of their vessels! I know one things for darned sure, we spend an aweful lot on alcohol and their mark up is insane so they are making a TON of money on just our charter alone... and even more when you consider they don't have to advertise with our cruise and pay out commission to travel agents (that's what Atlantis has to do)...
In regards to the RSVP cruises, since I haven't been on one, I'd concur with your thoughts... drugs is prevalent in our community as it is in our society these days. Being on a ship with that many people is going to make it appear more obvious because there are less places to do it with privacy... bottom line... I'm sure RSVP has it too...
Well said the two of you...
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Oslo - I recently booked my first Atlantis cruise (Infinity 15th Anniversary '06) & after your review I'm seriously considering cancelling. I've been on 7 hetero cruises with straight friends & loved them all. I've been wanting to go on an Atlantis cruise for a long time but your experience makes me reconsider. I'm a fairly young (35) American guy who likes to drink but not into the drug scene. Not into the bathhouse scene at all. Since I'll be on this cruise single, your comments about single travelers being left alone & bored concerns me. Any comments/experiences from similiar guys well appreciated. Thanks-
Admittedly I know nothing about your personallity except for what you mentioned but I think it would be a shame if you cancelled based on one persons bad experience.
I did my first Atlantis cruise this past March at age 39 and am still kicking myself for waiting so long. I went with a good friend.
I don't do drugs. Maybe I'm blind but I did not see the rampant drug use Oslo refers to. I also didn't think it was a floating bathhouse.
What I experienced was 2000+ friendly G/L folks having a great vacation. And I can't wait to do it again. Yes, there was some drug use and yes, I did drink and have sex. But there is so much else to do as well. And I made some great new friends. I will be solo on both next months Mexican Riviera cruise and the 15th Anniv cruise.
You say you've been wanting to do an Atlantis cruise for a long time so, in my opinion, by all means Just Do It!
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we were on the atlantis millenium european cruise this past july/august...and had actually one of the best vacations...
we are from canada - in our mid 40s. we very much enjoyed each and very party ... took our costumes...
we don't do drugs and we did not go looking for it either - therefore we saw very little use...
we met a great group of people, just like us..and had an awesome time...
i cannot believe that u found this much drug use on the european cruise...on our cruise is was defineatly a different crowd than u might find on a caribbean cruise...many people were there for the cultural experience of europe.
yes, we went naked in one of the pools, and yes there was a dark room and yes there was sex in the sauna, but not overrun by 2200 men... if this is what u want it was there for u,,,otherwise turn a blind eye and go and do something u enjoy on the ship.
as for the crew onboard , my partner had worked with princess, sitmar, and silverseas for over 30years..and cannot believe - being a gay cruise - how polite all of the staff was....they were even invited to the white party event.
we loved our cruise so much ... and we have been on about 30 cruises as passengers - this being the first with altantis - we are booked next year on the brillance european cruise and know we are going to have a great time.
for me and alot of people - as their cruise sell out months and even a year inadvance - atlantis is a first class operation and love that they give the freedom that gays and lesbians deserve...in a straight world.
so any of u planning to cancel your atlantis cruise because of 1 readers bad review (come on - complaining about a 15gratuity on drinks, what cruise line doesn't beside silverseas and seabourn - have sailed both...) read between the lines...
very hard to put in writing ,,, but atlantis has something for everyone...if u want it you will find it,,,if u don't want to participate - turn the other way...
it is like walking down church street in toronto, passing by the leather bar - it is my choice to go in and see what is going on or passing by and going to the bar next door....
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I've already emailed you my thoughts privately. As you know I'm very sorry you had to go through this. What should have been a fun time turned into something very depressing and disturbing for you. You are a good guy and didn't deserve it. When your own relationship is going through turmoil, it only makes it that much harder to watch other guys frolicking around .... especially if your so-called "partner" is one of the guys frolicking. Truly rotten and selfish on his part, especially considering what you just when through with your dad. Better to be rid of him now early on rather than see his true colors years down the road.
I still think you should join us on QE2 on January 3rd. I promise you will forget all about Atlantis and this as-hole! ;)
Oslo Dutch:
I have never been on an Atlantis Cruise, but I have been on five Atlantis Land Vacations. While in the past I have had some of the best times of my life, I would no longer recommend that single guys looking for active vacations consider Atlantis. The commaradrie that was once there seems to be long gone.
I've often looked to Atlantis as a place to find other guys to go swimming, horseback riding etc., but increasingly these guys are few and far between. On an Atlantis vacation almost no one goes in the ocean, and while the pool dominates the scene few guys actually swim. The pool scene is mostly a continuation of one continuous cocktail party that is truly Atlantis. In fact you have the feeling that swimming is frowned on lest you splash a twinkie or get water in his drink. The trapeze is long gone, and most of those guys with it. On my last trip to the world famous Xel-Ha water park in Cancun, only ten guys came from a resort with 500, and those ten were all couples who promptly went their own ways. The zip cables are great though, and Shann Carr is always up for adventure.
I had thought about taking an RSVP Star Clipper cruise, but I decided to take a straight cruise instead. Aside from being $1000 cheaper, I figure I'll at least have some (straight) guys to hang out with. I want this trip to be about sailing, not about being gays. I fear on RSVP I'll be tripping over twinkies sunning themselves when I'm helping the crew hoist the sails.
I presume you are Dutch, and I can see why you had the experience you did with Atlantis. I am well accepted in the Netherlands, but I can be low key. While the Dutch are tolerant toward homosexuals, I can appreciate that they don't care for loud groups of americans. I hope Atlantis never goes to Amsterdam, it would not be a good mix.
I would solicit responses from a number of people before you decide to cancel your cruise. A lot depends on what you like to do, where you are going to, and how outgoing you are. Once again I can only speak from the perspecitvie of having been on the land vacations.
First off, don't worry about being accepted. That's not an issue. Almost everyone is extremely friendly. The parties tned to be great, from what I've heard they are far better on the cruises than on the land resorts.
On the other hand, most guys at Atlantis tend to be either couples or in groups. Yes their are a lot of singles, but they are usually in groups. There's also a lot of guys who meet up ahead of time so they are certain to have someone to hang out with. When you see these messages "Anyone from Dallas" they're usually people looking to meet up before the cruise, and that is also an option.
The big thing is the extent to which you are outgoing. If you are quite outgoing things can be great; however, if you're not, an Atlantis vacation can be socially exhausting. Atlantis goes out of its way to seat you with other people, on the other hand, unless you hit if off immeadiately with someone, every meal involves dining with strangers. At first it is great, but after a few days it can become tiring. It tends to have a feeling of freshman orientation week, "Where are you from?", "What did you do today?", "Is this your first Atlantis vacation?" The other place where things can be ackward is at the shows, which tend to be great. You may frequently find yourself sitting by yourself, as a gay man this is not unusual. The Castro is full of restaurants with gay men by themselves. It's a matter of whether you are comfortable being by yourself.
As to my previous comments, if you're looking for adventure, there are better options. Quite frankly, if you're going to Alaska you can see and do a lot more going on your own on the Alaska marine highway, and you'll meet plently of far more interesting people along the way. If you're looking to party, you should probably give Atlantis a shot. Maybe try one of the shorter vacations like Mexico or even the land resorts, although I would recommend Puerta Vallarta over Cancun. It could possibly be the best time of your life so I wouldn't cancel casually.
The change that had taken place in the Atlantis scene for me is much of my source of disappointment. On my first trip in 1998, Atlantis was only about a tenth the size it is now, the group was only 250 guys, everybody knew everybody, and we were all a lot younger.
I usually don't comment about the sex. But quite frankly, most guys aren't up for as much as they claim to be, especially on a 7-10 day trip. Many of them are also couples on a fairly short leash. It can be interesting because as the week progresses the leashes tend to get longer, or in fact snap!
I am going to try to reconcile my somewhat contradictory messages:
If you are perfectly comfortable walking into a trendy gay bar by yourself you will have a great time at Atlantis!
As a friend of mine said after winning the beer chugging contest, "There aren't twenty people here you can have an intelligent conversation with!"
After 14 gay cruises, both RSVP and Atlantis, our experience has been a combination of all of the comments mentioned above. OVERALL WE LOVE THEM and KEEP BOOKING MORE and MORE. Next one OCT Mexico on Atlantis.
Many of these cruises we have done with friends that we have encouraged to go with us. Depending on "where they are at in their life" there experience during that week reflects it. We have had friends that have gone and "blown it out big time and others that have "had more down time, reading a book, sunbathing and being low keyed", others have been up at the crack of dawn each morning so they could do "every execursion or workout, etc".
My lover of 14 years, never has nor ever will do drugs, nor does he drink much beyond one or two cocktails at a party. However, we do attend the dance parties and while some people are high...not everyone is and we have a great time!! We also like to do the execursions, have quiet time, go to the piano bar and to the nightly shows. For us, we vary what we chose to do throughout the week and that works for us. I guess what I am trying to say is that it can be whatever you want it to be.
I think a lot of people have this illusion that they are going to pay X amount of dollars, get on board and then they think it's up to Atlantis or RSVP to carefully orchestrate the week so that they have a good time. To some extent this is true and while they can offer many options/activities/events for the week, it's up to the individual to pick and chose, to put themselves out there to meet other people and to have a positive attitude. If you don't put yourself out there, especially on the larger cruises, you will feel isolated and you may not meet many people. A weeklong gay cruise is like a piece of clay, you can mold it into what ever you want it to be, but if you sit back and just stare at it, the clay is not going to take shape on it's own.
Turning a blind eye to the goings on isn't a bad thing either. I agree with the poster who suggested that. Not everyone on board is in the sauna or streaking down the hallway (although, its funny you should mention... I did do that once... :rolleyes: ).. there is drug usage but that's every where and with partying going on... you know it'll be there... just come to expect that...
Now for the person who was wondering about single traveling with Atlantis... I'm single and have gone on four cruises with Atlantis single and have been blessed by the share room matching gods to get level-headed people and not party animals for roommates! That's a good start...
I would strongly suggest you read this carefully and make an assessment as Oslo had some issues with being attached to someone, he most likely (correct me if I'm wrong) didn't have the proper Atlantis singles event experience...
Atlantis does a host of meet and greets for singles, usually held by Malcolm in the early days of any Atlantis charter. Then you have the singles dinner where you switch tables around so you will meet loads of people and if you can't remember names, at least you'll know the familiar faces onboard to say hello too! It's not hell for single people. After all, are you expecting to come off the ship with a relationship? If you are, that's foolhearty to me. I've come off with great frienships and prospects that one would go further as we're still keeping in touch but distance got rid of that... neither here nor there... don't go on a cruise expecting to get married... you'll be sadly disappointed.
Bottom line: Sailing single with Atlantis is not a tragedy... there's plenty of events aimed at you for being single, your choice is whether to partake or frolick or do something else.
Now the comment on drinking... so long as you have a credit card that can support your PUNA intake then... PUNA!!! PUNA!!! to you!! :D
If you would like to know more about my singles experiences, hit me up... btw... I'm a little younger than some who've posted comments here on Atlantis so just so you could factor in the age... I'm 23.
Enjoy the cruise and I look forward to your review!
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I am reading this discussion very carefully
Having attended the last two European cruises and had the time of my life
I am also very worried that Atlantis has made the mistake of their lives switching from Celebrity to Royal Caribbean. I pray Atlantis will see that their clientele don't want to leave Celebrity whatsoever and return to Celebrity for other cruises to 2007.
The key success factors I believe that made the trip was the Atlantis entertainment and the quality of Celebrity.
Highlights for me were
Pam Ann (Rich if you ever drop Pam Ann I will fly to LA and hit you on the head), Shawn Carr, the hypnotist
2004: Belinda Carlisyle - who brought great music into my life and a blast from the past
2005: Jackie Beat, Dixie Longate & Pippi
And the ports my favorites were
2004: Athens for the Olympics & Rhodes
2005: Ibiza and that spirited club Space and perfect Es Cavallet beach, Tuscany and that fun beach resort I visted Viareggio, Eternal Rome and the magnificent pasta I had for lunch (I retraced the mystical Angels and Demons experience and joined the Illuminati), and that perfect orange juice I drank in Santorini, exotic Istanbul - being welcomed by a Turkish band & the exotic adventure of the merging of Asia and Europe
As a single person I did not meet the man of my life on either of these cruises:( :( :( And I knicknamed the pool deck "the Attitude" Deck. I dont take my shirt off during the day. But most of the "Attitudes" on this ship would last five minutes on the rugby pitch.. so there!!! :)
The first year I had a roommate.. well to say the least we were two different people .. oh well its a big ship you spend very little time in the room
This year I had a great roommate
This year I confidently have booked the Rio cruise
and look forward to the adventure. I believe Oceania is a good line
albeit hoping Atlantis will return to Celebrity for future cruises
Just a point of clarification- Atlantis has used three Celebrity ships this year... Constellation in March, Millenium in July, and Infinity in August. And they are using the Infinity again in March 2006.
As to you calling the pool deck the "attitude deck" I find that sad. I find that no matter what appearance guys give off if you are friendly to them they will be friendly back. I guess I have more self confidence than some but when I'm on a ship of 2000+ men I'm not gonna sit in the corner. I'm 40, 5"10, 210, hairy, single, and will definately take my shirt off at the pool on the Radiance next month. But that's just me.
Bruce MacDonald, the gay hypnotist, used to give a very good seminar on self-hypnosis for stress reduction. I went to it in PV in '98, but I haven't seen him offer it since, I don't know if he does on the cruises. If he does offer it I would highly recommend it both for it's content, but also as a way of meeting other singles. A lot of these guys you see sitting by themselves often turn out to be highly educated professionals who can't relate to the endless "sticky floor" jokes. They're out there but they are often scattered, and Bruce's seminar is the only place I can think of that brings the professionals together, as opposed to bears, or guys from Dallas etc. If Bruce doesn't offer the seminar and anyone is interested I know he lives in SF and has a web site.
Being a gay event, inevitably the queens will push their way to center stage and the pretty boys will be on a pedestal. That's a given. But that doesn't mean there can't be a lot of thriving sub-cultures. I've tried to promote Atlantis to more guys who are professional or are interested in more of a gay adventure travel experience (generally separate crowds). My frustration is that I meet a lot of these guys at Atlantis, but inevitably they don't come back. With more of a critical mass, I think you would see more diverse sub-cultures. These are things that people are going to have to conciously make an effort at. Rich Campbell generally does all he can to come up with new ideas. I'm sure any suggestions would be appreciated.
To some extent everybody gay had their own acceptance problems. Shann Carr can't get hired on by the lesbians because she isn't sufficiently butch. Likewise, when she was at Gay Ski Aspen she had to learn to ski by herself because she couldn't find anyone to go skiing. I guess that's life!
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I was on the same cruise as Oslo but I don't recognize it from his description. Of course, the death of a parent and realization that your new love interest is a total jerk would ruin anyone's vacation.
This was my first gay cruise and I travelled alone. The food and the entertainment were both terrible, but the passengers were great - very warm, friendly, and interesting. I did not encounter any rudeness or attitude.
I didn't see any drug use or notice anyone who was obviously under the influence of drugs. I just saw a lot of guys having fun.
The bathhouse factor was there if you went looking for it in the sauna and steamroom, but that was less than ten percent of the passengers. I did not see "sex all over the place" or any sex in the pools or jacuzzis and did not see anyone running down the halls naked.
There is a lot Atlantis could do to make their cruises better, but contrary to Zipper's post I don't think they are interested. Their cruises sell out and they only have one direct competitor. At Ask Atlantis Anything, Rich and his assistant were very defensive and did not take responsibility for anyone's complaints, instead blaming the cruise line or denying that the mentioned problem existed.
Most guys were in their 40's or 50's, with a significant number over 60. Almost none under 30 that I noticed. Frequent Atlantis cruisers commented that the average age was much higher than usual. All body types and everyone I met was at least polite if not friendly. For me, it was a great cruise to go solo. I didn't want it to end.
One of the best parts was meeting so many couples who have been together for 10, 15, or 20 plus years. It renewed my hope for myself and for the community.
I would definitely do an Atlantis cruise again and would recommend it to anyone, but it was the gathering of 2000 gay men on vacation that made it great for me, not the ship, not the food, and certainly not the entertainment.
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I will admit that I was not on the recent Med cruise, so I can't comment on what happened, but I have been to many (8-9) of the Ask Atlantis Anything sessions. Before anyone runs with that last poster's comment about Rich's actions at the "Ask Atlantis Anything" session, you should know something about how that dynamic operates.
Rich and usually 1-3 others of his team (Glenn, Steve, Don) put themselves in front of anyone who will show up and they answer any and all questions for an hour. Usually there are about 20-30 people (out of 2000 pax). The audience is almost always made up of the same 2 types of people. A small cadre of first time Atlantis cruisers, and a large group of Repeat (10-20 times) cruisers who are either Travel Agents or Drama Mary's who have to be the center of attention. You know the types, big pinky rings, oversized sunglasses, snappable fan, and if they could have brought their Lincoln on the ship they would.
The first timers ask the typical questions you would expect (how did you get started, where are going next, etc), are usually scared to ask a question, and Rich does a very very good job of making sure that the other group (see below) doesn't dominate the questions. Rich picks between the two so as to make sure that all get a chance to ask their questions. He usually gets the "how do you compare Atlantis to RSVP" question, and I have never heard him utter a disparaging word about the competition.
The other group usually start their question with a trite complement to the (ship, Atlantis, staff, something), then most always get into a 5 minute monologue/diatribe about something that happened to them personally on this cruise (didn't get towel animals, or some immaterial issue), that is almost always a cruise line issue, and not an Atlantis issue. Then they announce the death of Rich's business if he doesn't fix said problem, as they have "X" number of year's in the travel business, know "XX" many more people who feel the same way, and demand to know what Rich is going to do about this. Then they continue to drone on and on, while Rich is trying to begin to answer their question.
I've seen this play out time and time again. The above post didn't mention exactly what Atlantis deffered to by "blaming the cruise line" or "denied the mentioned problem existed", but I'm willing to bet that Rich was right. The typical complaints center around Hotel operations (room, stewards, etc) that Atlantis doesn't control, or shore excursions (again, outside of Rich's control). The one complaint that Atlantis gets (and deserves) is the lack of organization in the reservations office related to travel documents. I understand what it takes for Rich's team to get that stuff out, but by now they should have it down to an art, and they don't.
That session is very much like Cruise Critic. You get someone who doesn't understand the real (business) world, has an issue, and then finds an opportunity and a soapbox.
I think LVMedia Boy summed it up. If you go looking for this stuff, you'll find it. Just like you would in any dance club in any major city on a Saturday night. Also, the cruise is not solely about the parties, there is usually alternate entertainment going on during the evening parties, at least until 12:30 (hypnotist show, cabaret bar, special performers, etc). There is always alternative activity during the afternoon parties.
I have to give Atlantis a lot of credit for trying to accommodate their guests. I was surprised to read about how they offer ballroom dancing on their cruises, at the PV orientation they asked if anyone played golf because one guy was looking for partners, and in Cancun they offered a lecture on the Mayan indians (which I didn't attend), that is diversity. But more importantly, on the Atlantis Alumnae board I recently read a very moving post about a guy who apparently is a quadraplegic who is willing to pay someone's cruise fare in return for help with eating, grooming, and getting in and out of bed. He also made it clear that after that he was on his own and there were plenty of things on the trip to keep him entertained. Now to get a testimonial like that says they must be doing something right. Likewise, who can forget the guy who attended the first Atlantis event and every one since then up until his death a few years ago at the age of 98!
Then there was my dinner in Cancun. Being on my own, I generally solve the "who to dine with problem" by wondering the dining room until I find someone interesting to sit with. This time I came upon a goodlooking, friendly guy who invited me to sit at the last open seat at a table of eight, the other six people being off in the buffet line. As it turns out this guy was the hotel manager, and without realizing it I was sitting at the Atlantis staff table, and as is turns out I was sitting next to Mr. Rich Campbell. When Rich shows up it is real clear that he is not happy about my being there and proceeds to do what no one ever has done to me at an Atlantis event which is to give me massive, total attitude. The first fifteen minutes, I don't thing he even looked at me. It was real clear that his intention was to have dinner with the hotel manager, and everyone else was to be seen and not heard. This didn't happen. Being as how I am no shrinking violet, the hotel manager was worldly and fascinating, and there was another guy at the table who although being quite young, and very cute, knew a hell of a lot about resort project development. Well Rich promptly lost control of the conversation and the rest of us had a wide ranging conversation covering everything for the details of south american politics to development opportunities in Cancun. The rest of us tried to keep the conversation light-hearted, while Rich tended toward the strident. All in all it was one of the most interesting conversations I've had in year, and Rich did appologize to me the next day.
Rich is Rich, what can you say. He's every bit as intense as he looks, but at the same time Atlantis can be an incredible experience. I can only imagine the grief he has endured creating his business and he is certainly entitled to the success.
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